ah <splifingate@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Sir F. A. Rien wrote:
>> Art Deco <erfc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>>ah <splifingate@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>Doomsday Machine wrote:
>>>>> French And CERN Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole
Generator)
>>>>> Unknown Planetary Risk To Create BIG BANG
>>>>>
>>>>> French Build Massive Particle Accelerator (Black Hole Generator)
>>>>> Old Dying Physicists want to go out with a BIG BANG
>>>>>
>>>>> What are we talking about?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many helpful Links and Video links at end of post.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://lhcconcerns.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> In May of 2008 the largest, most expensive scientific experiment,
The
>>>>> Large
>>>>> Hadron Collider will be completed. This mechanical behemoth located
along
>>>>> the French and Swiss border with a total estimated cir***ference of
17
>>>>> miles
>>>>> will be the most powerful particle accelerator in existence. The
principal
>>>>> behind a particle accelerator is that by speeding up the smallest
elements
>>>>> of matter and then colliding them together that they can be broken
down
>>>>> further into even smaller fundamental particles, just as Atoms were
once
>>>>> thought to be the smallest units, so then were Quarks(Up and Down),
>>>>> Electrons, and Protons discovered.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Large Hadron Collide is hoped to discover what is referred to as
the
>>>>> "Higgs Boson". Although a theoretical scalar particle theorized by
Peter
>>>>> Higgs in 1974, it is actually a member of the standard model, and it
is
>>>>> believed that the Higgs Boson is what gives matter "mass". To
achieve the
>>>>> observation of the Higgs Boson, the LHC will be sma****ng these
Hadrons
>>>>> (specifically Protons) together at speeds almost unimaginable to the
>>>>> average
>>>>> person, at near c( .99999999 % the speed of light).
>>>>>
>>>>> To quantify the types of collisions, it must be pointed out that two
beams
>>>>> will be set to collide with each other, each beam of protons
contains
>>>>> roughly 2,800 Protons with an energy of 7 TeV (1 Teraelectron Volt =
>>>>> 1.60217646 x 10-7 joules) so the combined energies will be 14 TeV.
>>>>> Although
>>>>> such energies in collisions are certainly occurring every day in
space,
>>>>> this
>>>>> will be the first time that energies such as these will be observed
on
>>>>> Earth, however what is alarming to us are the myriad of other
>>>>> possibilities
>>>>> that could arise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why haven't I heard about this before?
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly, this is a good question, I seem to come accross this
response a
>>>>> lot, it seems that in general most people have never heard of the
LHC, or
>>>>> even particle acclerators in general, I am aware that there has been
a lot
>>>>> more coverage of this in the UK then the America's (probably due to
it's
>>>>> geographical location), but also I suppose the main reason why it is
not
>>>>> covered that often in the states is because of a general lack of
interest,
>>>>> or the belief that the general public is probably incapable of
>>>>> understanding
>>>>> something so complex. Still however there are several Do***entaries
and
>>>>> other programs/magazines that have covered the LHC, so I'm not fully
sure
>>>>> why some people have not heard about this as from a financial
perspective
>>>>> it's the most expsenive (8.2 Billion Dollars) and most powerful
scientific
>>>>> Expirement of al time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why We're Concerned
>>>>>
>>>>> To explain the concern thoroughly and accurately it has to be stated
that
>>>>> the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva is not the first particle
accelerator
>>>>> in
>>>>> history. In 1929 the Cyclotron, invented and developed by Ernest O.
>>>>> Lawrence, was the first particle accelerator, and from that initial
>>>>> invention over several decades we have come into a new breed of
Larger and
>>>>> More Powerful Particle Accelerators. Although we have had particle
>>>>> accelerators in the past, The luminosity at which these operate has
>>>>> increased dramatically, in fact it is true that prior to the
construction
>>>>> of
>>>>> the RHIC (Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider) such theories as MBH
>>>>> Production,
>>>>> Strangelets, and several other theories were placed on the table as
>>>>> relevant
>>>>> possibilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what's different this time?
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the point that has to be emphasized, this time things are
quite
>>>>> different, a study was conducted after initial concerns for the RHIC
were
>>>>> explored, and to their conclusion the amount of energy necessary for
these
>>>>> scenarios was not sufficient. The Large Hadron Collider operates at
a
>>>>> total
>>>>> combined energy of 14TeV, which is a lot higher than the energies
>>>>> generated
>>>>> by the RHIC, as such the possibility of Black Hole creation is a
reality,
>>>>> in
>>>>> fact on CERN's own web site they admit it could create Black Holes,
here
>>>>> is
>>>>> an excerpt from Safety at the LHC
>>>>>
>>>>> "If the LHC can produce microscopic black holes, cosmic rays of much
>>>>> higher energies would already have produced many more. Since the
Earth is
>>>>> still here, there is no reason to believe that collisions inside the
LHC
>>>>> are
>>>>> harmful. Black holes lose matter through the emission of energy via
a
>>>>> process discovered by Stephen Hawking. Any black hole that cannot
attract
>>>>> matter, such as those that might be produced at the LHC, will
shrink,
>>>>> eva****ate and disappear. The smaller the black hole, the faster it
>>>>> vanishes.
>>>>> If microscopic black holes were to be found at the LHC, they would
exist
>>>>> only for a fleeting moment. They would be so short-lived that the
only way
>>>>> they could be detected would be by detecting the products of their
decay."
>>>>> We'll cover the theoretical problem of this statement in the next
section.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, what's the problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> In theory (according to Hawking Radiation) any Black Hole created
would
>>>>> eva****ate in Femtoseconds, not having the chance to accrete any
mass, and
>>>>> being essentially harmless, although this is comforting in theory,
It has
>>>>> never been proven, and in fact has been questioned before. The
problem is
>>>>> that although most people in the physics community believe in
Hawkings
>>>>> Radiation, it has no basis in observation. In 2003 Adam D. Helfer
>>>>> Published
>>>>> a paper concerning Hawking's Radiation coming to the conclusion that
>>>>> Hawking's Radiation may in fact be incorrect, and that a Black Hole
would
>>>>> not lose mass in such a way. (For the full text of this do***ent go
here
>>>>> Paper By Adam D. Helfer on Hawking Radiation.)
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact since the LHC has been on the drawing board several studies
and
>>>>> theories which have gained a lot of sup****t in the scientific
community
>>>>> such
>>>>> as "String Theory" and "Extra-Large Hidden Dimensions" have
surfaced,
>>>>> which
>>>>> do indeed place the threshold for Black Hole Creation much lower
than
>>>>> previously thought.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main problem lies in believing in theory as fact, every argument
for
>>>>> safety made concerning Black Holes and thier creation immediately
>>>>> references
>>>>> Hawking Radiation, however, if Hawking Radiation turns out to be
incorrect
>>>>> then the Black Hole would continue to accrete mass at an exponential
rate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now Hold on, No one would willingly create a machine that would
create
>>>>> Black
>>>>> Holes on Purpose?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not, I highly doubt the thousands of scientists involved
wish to
>>>>> usher in Oblivion any quicker than politicians, however the danger
lies in
>>>>> Theory being accepted as Fact, Adam D. Helfer Published a paper
recently
>>>>> which outlines a very strong possibility that Hawkings Radiation may
in
>>>>> fact
>>>>> not exist, which would actually fit in better with the Laws of
>>>>> Thermodynamics, at which Our current explanation and understanding
of the
>>>>> nature of Black Holes has always been somewhat at Odds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alright, so if a Black Hole created doesn't eva****ate, what next?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is another place that CERN's safety *****sment is incapable of
>>>>> addressing, although these extremely high energy collisions each
Proton
>>>>> beam
>>>>> is in fact coming from opposite directions, Over 2 thousand Protons
in
>>>>> each
>>>>> beam will pretty much collide roughly in the middle, although no
collision
>>>>> would create a particle exactly dead center, or "still", in a
relative
>>>>> sense
>>>>> any MBH or fundamental particle created in such a manner (even with
both
>>>>> beams at a speed of .99999999 c) would be in a relative sense, at
Rest, or
>>>>> to elaborate the term at rest we mean lower than the necessary
escape
>>>>> velocity to escape the Earth's own gravitational pull.
>>>>>
>>>>> At that point two hypothetical scenarios exist. It would either
maintain a
>>>>> rather low orbit within our planet itself, slowly accreting mass at
an
>>>>> exponential rate, or it's possible it may "gravitate" to the direct
center
>>>>> of the planet in which case would accrete mass very quickly
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait a second, I've also heard of other dangers like "Strange
Matter",
>>>>> "Bubble Nucleation", and "Magnetic Monopoles", why the focus on
Black
>>>>> Holes?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is true that these scenarios are also possible, however the
problem
>>>>> with
>>>>> representing them accurately is the true danger can never be
quantified as
>>>>> None of these have been observed, however that does not mean the
risk is
>>>>> zero. The very fact that this experiment is called an experiment is
the
>>>>> prove a hypothesis, if the results were truly known then this would
not be
>>>>> occurring in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Large Hadron Collider is going to be forcing Protons together in
a
>>>>> very
>>>>> unnatural way, not only forcing them into groups of roughly 3,000
protons
>>>>> for the collisions, but exposing them to temperatures colder than
space as
>>>>> well (1.9 K or -271 C). These types of collisions in a sense are
unnatural
>>>>> because collisions at those speeds and temperature would never
happen,
>>>>> meaning at the point of activation, no one will truly know these
results
>>>>> until they occur, in a matter of Femtoseconds we would be placing
the
>>>>> entire
>>>>> world in potential Danger. I've seen many websites calculate
>>>>> possiblity/problem or a percentage of risk, however without many of
these
>>>>> theories as proof, there is no accurate way to calcuate them, So
although
>>>>> the risk potential is unknown, the risk can never be calculated at
zero.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the credence given Strange Matter production, and it's
subsequent
>>>>> catalytic behavior by the scientific community is not always mutual.
>>>>> Certain
>>>>> types of Strange Matter could be formed that would catalytically
convert
>>>>> all
>>>>> matter that it touches into strange matter as well, although this is
not
>>>>> as
>>>>> likely as creating a Black Hole, it's worth mentioning because it is
a
>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to learn more, where can I go?
>>>>>
>>>>> The internet is a good place, it brought you here, didn't it? Of
course
>>>>> you
>>>>> could always visit the links on the site, and take part in our
discussion
>>>>> on
>>>>> the forum, I would recommend familiarizing yourself with all the
issues,
>>>>> and
>>>>> a basic understanding of Black Holes won't hurt either, of course I
can
>>>>> always recommend reading A Brief History of Time or the Universe in
a
>>>>> Nutshell there is always Google, for as many people as there are
>>>>> concerned,
>>>>> there are people who believe the danger is zero, it's im****tant for
you,
>>>>> to
>>>>> properly evaluate the facts and come to your own conclusion, of
course we
>>>>> would like your sup****t, however, the goal of this web site is
>>>>> information,
>>>>> discussion, action, and rationale, we are real people after all, and
so
>>>>> are
>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking outside the box can't hurt either, I encourage you to Talk
to a
>>>>> Professor at a local college, write a Letter to CERN, do whatever
you need
>>>>> to do to inform yourself and make an informed decision, any
contribution
>>>>> you
>>>>> make, even discussing with one other single person in the world, has
the
>>>>> possibility to make all the difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Links..
>>>>>
>>>>> Large Hadron Collider
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
>>>>>
>>>>> CERN
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN
>>>>>
>>>>> LHC Concerns
>>>>>
>>>>> http://lhcconcerns.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> National Geograhic - The God Particle
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text
>>>>>
>>>>> BBC News - Lab Fireball May Have Been Black Hole
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4357613.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> An Open Letter To Stephen Hawking
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://lhcconcerns.com/LHCConcerns/Forums/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72
>>>>>
>>>>> Black Holes On Demand (George Street Journal)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.brown.edu/Administration/George_Street_Journal/vol26/26GSJ10a.h
>>>>> tml
>>>>>
>>>>> CBC News - LHC
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/science/lhc.html
>>>>>
>>>>> New York Times - LHC Dangerous?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/science/15cern.html?ex=1336881600&en=7c2
>>>>> 5f6
>>>>> 782d7029e7&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
>>>>>
>>>>> LHC Legal Defense Fund
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.lhcdefense.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> MySpace STOP CERN Website
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.myspace.com/stopcern
>>>>>
>>>>> LHC Risk Evaluation Forum
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> YouTube music Video Of The Atom Smasher (LHC) Black Hole Generator
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFSrS03wjE#GU5U2spHI_4
>>>>>
>>>>> French Build Doomsday Machine
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.misunderstooduniverse.com/France_Builds_Doomsday_Machine.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> U-Tube Videos
>>>>>
>>>>> Do***entery
>>>>>
>>>>> Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [1 of 3]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fJ6PMfnz2E&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>> Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [2 of 3]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNPpeVvZ9w&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>> Large Hadron Collider - The Search For The Higgs [3 of 3]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XbKZwXK-3c&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>> The Large Hadron Collider: The End Of The Universe?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPxYdObyJ2A&feature=related
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>btw, Hi Alexa!
>>>
>>>Hi, Alexa!
>>
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>
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Howdy, 'Lexa!
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