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May 11, 2:25?pm, "Lars Wilson" <siaxa...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Lars I am convinced that you are the same guy who is on Jehovahs
Witness Discussion Forum as JCanon.
Hello there Prophet of the Most High (POMH). Yup, it's me. I'm stalking
you! (smile, just kidding).
>>You used to call himself Bibleman and Jesus92 I am fully aware.
Hmmm. Maybe. But I think it was "Joshua92". I've thought of using
"Jesus" but the boards couldn't take it so banned me. Interesting, since
lots of Latins use "Jesus" (hay-soos). Anyway. I'm the person, yes. I
also used to go by "Watchman" and that was my "handle" when I wrote
a letter to the WTS Governing Body on November 10, 1992, essentially
disfellow****pping the entity of the GB as the "evil slave." But
individual
members could repent and remain in the Bride Class. I gave them some
corrections to make and they haven't yet; predictable. They've had their
chance. Now they are out and in spiritual darkness.
> I debated with you long time ago and pointed your mistakes.
I don't remember the details, but I hope I corrected any mistakes. Not
sure if this dealt with chronology or not.
> Since the Bible was completed God Yahweh have not spoken to nobody !
Aha! You are right! You understand that the BIBLE is the modern-day
miracle! Well when I spoke with my Father face-to-face he didn't add
anything
I needed to know about scripture. So that's very im****tant to note.
Everything
I teach is 100% based on something in the Bible. There is nothing new
I've
learned directly from Jehovah that is to be transferred to the public. So
please
don't claim anything I say is "new" words beyond the Bible! That's a
false
conception and you make a very critical point. Everything I have said is
based on some scripture. If there is something I've said that you think
MIGHT
not be in the Bible that you think I'm claiming came directly from God,
then
please let me know and I'll show you where it is in the Bible.
>And the miracles ended as well.
All but one. The Bible clearly says in Matthew 24:29 that the "sign of
the
son
of man" would appear in heaven. It would be seen by "every eye" of the
"eagle class", not every eye in the entire world. Remember, when they see
the sign they mourn and "beat themselves in lamentation" when they see it.
It has been seen by the "anointed eagle class" (AEC) since my birth and
it's
the image of a child's face, seen close enough to see his features of
being
both black and that his eyes are closed. That's the "sign" that appears.
Because it is representing he dead messiah as the prodigal son those who
see it weep over him. But Jehovah arranged to have the sign appear to
a skyscape photographer on the anniversary of the second coming event
sign and so I have a photo of it to prove to the AEC that I'm truly the
messiah. That others have seen it is proven by the mockery of the sign
that appears in the "Revelation" Book. I think it appears in the art
to show while it is an alternative view that you can interpret from
the Bible, they are opposed to it. At any rate, it proves others have
seen the sign and understand it. The black child's sleeping face is
in the hand of the messiah. This child, they understand, becomes John
who opens the seven seals and thus understands and fulfills some of
those things in the scroll. That's ME. The scroll is sweet to taste
because
of fulfillment of God's word is so delicious and wonderful, but bitter
to the stomach because many will die for rejecting God's word.
So you must CORRECT. The Bible does say, besides the Bible, there
will be one last miracle from heaven, the sign of the son of man. So
you must include that miracle. Otherwise, you are right, this time
around it's the Bible and no magic tricks or miracles per se.
Here's a photo of the actual "sign of the son of man", the sleeping
black child representing the dead prodigal son over which the AEC
mourn over. We know that every eye on earth does not see this
because they would not cry over this messiah, so those who see it
is limited to the context of Christ's followers. When Christ said
"every eye" of those in the "earth" would see it, "earth" was
a symbolism for those belonging to Christ, just as the "sea" is associated
with Christendom, etc. So, yes, the BIBLE and 1 MIRACLE: THE
SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN. That's it! I'm claiming nothing
more.
>So hearing words from heaven as you gave would be a violation of that
principle.
No. I heard no new words from heaven that would be new gospel
to the Bible. I spoke to Jehovah in a vision in heaven, most of which
was removed from my memory. I saw his image. He has a neatly
perfect "Afro" hair style. That was surprising, but clearly what the
vision of him reflected when they said his hair was like "fine wool."
But that was my personal interview after becoming the Christ. He
didn't give me any message.
However, there was a sign in heaven, the image of a child lying on
a cloud and next to it on the right an eagle with spread wings. To
the left of the child was heard a "voice like thunder" that said
to those participating in my "baptism" as the messiah: "This is
my son whom I have approved" just like was said at Jesus'
baptism. But you don't have to believe that, and that doesn't
add anything to the scriptures. It is what would be expected.
That's just what happened, so I share that.
>Christ second coming is yet to come and it is in Matthew 24.29-30 !
Yes, I know you might believe that. But the "sign" did appear. I have
a photo of it. The "great tribulation" was the HOLOCAUST, so that
happened, and the chronology of the second coming is absolute now:
1. It occurs 45 years after the Jews return to Palestine.
2. It occurs 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem, which you can
correctly
date to 529 BCE. There's no choice here because of Ezra 6:14,15, a
scripture I don't believe I've heard you comment on. Also I'd love
to have Harold Camping comment on it. It is the accession year for
Xerxes who calls himself Artaxerxes at this point after becoming king.
It confirms from the Bible that Darius I only ruled 6 years, not 36 years.
So anybody who uses SECULAR HISTORY to insert more years than
this is simply incompetent. I have lots of evidence from Persepolis that
Xerxes and Artaxerxes were the same king and explanations why he
wanted to fake his own death. It's a matter of record now.
The revised timeline was just a fun secret to keep and served modern
agendas, so it was never corrected and now people are trying to
authenticate it, but they can't. What they do is AVOID the
weak areas that would lead a reasonable person to thinking there was
revision during this period like typical of many other periods. It's
unavoidable. I even have an astronomical text, the VAT4956 that
gives you only two choices for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar: 568 BCE
and 511 BCE. When 568 BCE is used, then the fall of Jerusalem occurs
in 586 BCE. When 511 BCE is considered the more reliable date for
year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar, then 529 BCE becomes the 19th of
Nebuchadnezzar. The two dates, projected onto the second coming,
2520 years later gives you 1935 and 1992. Our only question is
which of these dates, 1935 or 1992 is 1992? That's because the
second coming was to occur 35 years after the Jews are restored
to their homeland to fulfill 1290 days. The messiah appears at
1335 days. So now, we have direct archaeological evidence
of what the original chronology was. Now this is purely research and
secular academics, OBVES. If you haven't looked at the research
you cannot comment further. But I can see I need to get this research
to Camping now.
http://www.geocities.com/siaxares/709guide.html
(Outline of
corrections.)
>This has not happened yet .He will come in glory and all will be aware
of his coming when it takes place.
Actually, it has, and it was glorious! It happened on November 26, 1992.
>Spiritual- conventinal comings of Christ could only take place before
that event. Literally Christ cannot be present unless by his spirit he
is sending to his followers and they are his manifestation. 144000
servants are his manifestation and there might be varying degrees in
that manifestation in these people depending on God's time plan.
Actually, that's not correct. Christ RETURNS in the flesh. It wouldn't
be a SECOND advent unless it related to the first. The SECOND coming
is in reference to when he returns to become a human again. Only the
second time it's in a different body, that's why he materialized different
bodies, never his original perfect one, once he was resurrected. Because
that body would not be seen again and Christ would be in the body of
another individual at the second coming. Again, EVERYTHING depends
on chronology. When Christ said a "generation" would not pass away
until "all these things" occurred, those things began with a world
war and ends with the appearance of the "sign of the son of man"
which for the Jews was the physical birth of their new king. This
would all happen within 40 years of WWI and thus before 1954.
Included in that would be the reestablishment of the State of Israel,
which did happen in 1947-1948. The messiah was born in 1950 when
the sign began to appear. So all this has been fulfilled.
1947 is a CRITICAL EVENT in Bible history since it marks the
70th Jubilee of the Covenant for the Jews and during that 70th week,
the 7th week of that 70th week (1949-1996, 1989-1996) is when
the messiah fulfills the 7th, 70th, and 490th week at the second coming.
http://www.geocities.com/siaxares/jcovwk1996G.GIF
(Jewish Covenant Week)
>Harold Camping -a very gifted preacher - refuted the spiritual coming
of Jesus in 1914 AD that the Watchtower taught and what happened .
Not hard to do, I guess. Good for him!
>All of a sudden he began teaching that Christ came spiritually in 1994
AD !
Hmmmm. Well, not sure if that is 100% wrong. After all, though the
Christ
is in a physical body, he also could be said to be present spiritually.
It's just wondering why 1994 was chosen over 1992 or 1993? Still it is
within the "70th week" of 1989-1996.
After becoming the messiah there were two other separate "meterological
phenomenon" performed for other secret followers of Christ. One was a
strange formation of clouds where the end of the raindow pointed to were I
was at the time in Monrovia, California at one end, and at the other end
was
this strange lightening show that was noticeable enough to get printed in
the paper. Another time it hailed so hard there was hair on the ground
all
around, but just where I was, in one place. I was at the El Monte,
California library at the time. So different groups are sometimes
handled
separately. The woman who makes up the "eagle anointed class", if you
follow the reference is not a single group but several. The "two
witnesses"
are just two of many secret groups. So at one level, it's possible a
focus
on 1994 is explainable. It's not a false reference since obviously if I
think the messiah arrived in 1992, then he certainly had returned by 1994.
>He attacked Jehovah's Witnesses on the doctrine of hell for decades !
Great.
>And now all of a sudden he started preaching the eternal annihilation
of the wicked !
Well, the "wicked" will be eternally annihilated in the lake of fire. The
Bible says that. The "second death." I'm sure if Camping reads the Bible
that he is aware of the situation of Judgment Day and the second death.
So
I can't discount that in its entirety and certainly not until I've read
his
specific take on this. But it's hard to ignore Revelation and the lake of
fire, right?
>He is the most gifted preacher on the radio earth-wide and you should
get hold of his publications that may help you out of what you are
claiming to be !
" The End of the Church Age and After " , " Time Has an End " , "
Wheat and Tares " , " We Are Almost There " .
http://www.familyradio.com
Thanks! Maybe I will check him out and give him some feedback.
>>Also please get from the Church of God ( Herbert Armstrong was there )
a book by Ronald Weinland : " 2008.God's Final Witness ".
Thanks for the recommendation!
>Harold Camping can explain your the chronology in a different way .
Maybe now, but if he is using the current ancient timeline then he will
have
to correct his numbers. I haven't made sure he knows about the revisions.
But even so, he might likely be the first to quickly understand that Cyrus
must fulfill the 70 weeks prophecy and therefore, must be dated to 455
BCE.
This is the position of Martin Anstey who wrote "The Romance of Bible
Chronology."
>He
has the year 4990 BC for the Noahic Flood !
Well, again, he may not have been exposed to the research I have.
Definitely would be interested in seeing what he thinks about it, though
I'm
sure he gets tons of information that is staked up for him to read. I'll
see if I can make sure he knows the academic timeline has been revised
because of the VAT4956. He can still keep 1994!
>In my chronology Adam was finally created in 4027 BC !
Great. Generally speaking, if you date the Exodus like JWs do to
1513 BCE, then all dates going back to the creation of Adam can be
corrected
by lowering the number 127 years. Simple. Now there is no dicussion
about
this, OBVES. You either correct the Exodus to 1513 BCE or remain
incompetent, academically speaking. I don't know if you understand this
or
not. But let me try. The research and history used to come up with 1513
BCE comes from pagans. They revised their chronology so now the corrected
dating is 1386 for the Exodus. This checks out both archaeologically and
with RC14 dating. Since we can determine the Exodus now by 1947, there's
no excuse for having the wrong date. You and everybody else may
stubbornly
want to believe this is correct because it works so well with your numeric
findings but that's just the reality. If you don't want to convert or
for
some reason Jehovah is not allowing you to, then that's fine. But I've
done
my research and I can't very well ignore the facts, when all you have to
offer is outdated pagan dates for your conclusions? Noway!
>But he has the date 587 BC and 33 AD which is a very im****tant
indicator.
Fine. Again, we all know the pagans revised their timelines for political
reasons. Trying to sort the mess is involved. I appreciate that. And
the
fact that through time paganism has preferred the revised chronology and
timeline, influencing the academic world and historical writers through
time
doesn't help. But since 1947 we can pivot all dating back to the Creation
of Adam, since 1947 is linked directly to the Exodus date. 1947 is the
"last jubilee" in a week where the Exodus is the "first jubilee" in a
Covenant Week of 70 jubilees, 3430 years! So we really don't even have
to
consult a single historical source to etablish the absolute Biblical
timeline.
I know Jehovah is using your talents for his purposes now, perhaps to
bring
things to a focus on the JW-Bible issue, etc. and at his given time he
might
even reveal to you that I'm actually the messiah. But in the meantime it
doesn't bother me if you can't accept that.
Remember, the prodigal son messiah is a hard one to handle. It is not
understood by the "older brother" who has more traditional ideas about the
second coming. So Jehovah keeps the two separate. The Rich Man would be
considered part of the "older brother" class and thus there is a "chasm"
between him and Lazarus. So we can only assume the older brother class
will hold onto the old ideas, like "old wineskins" and cannot handle the
"new wine." So new wine, the actual event of the second coming and the
true
messiah, it put into "new wineskins" not the old. But the old are not
cast
out.
So ultimately, you have people who are approved by God who will enter the
millennium, but not with the "new wine" reality, but the old wine
mentality.
So there is no real attempt to convert the "older brother" class before
the
millennium actually begins. It's just not necessary. God allows them to
maintain seemingly correct beliefs while those of the Lazarus class
actually
have the true reality.
Now some of this is pragmatic because those in the public, the "older
brother" group have a different cir***stances for dealing with Satan than
the spirtually secret group. Those who are in the secret societies are
spared dealing with Satan's spy organizations. This woman is hidden in
the
"wilderness", that is, in underground secret socities to which I belong.
That is why the child christ born at the second coming, the time when
Satan
is cast from heaven, is seen being born out of this woman, meaning only
that
one of her secret followers is chosen as the messiah. It could be that
it
is cross-purposes right now that I become a publicly accepted messiah. In
the meantime, obviously, Jehovah is gathering his own on both sides of
this
situation; those inside the banquet and those on the outside, who are more
easily monitored by Satan's world.
Thanks for sharing your views, as usual and I'll order all the
publications
you noted. Thanks.
Lars
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