On Dec 7, 5:07 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> English wrote:
> > On Dec 5, 6:44 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> English wrote:
> >>> On Dec 4, 1:12 am, "Guest" <llco...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>> "English" <timothy.hug...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>news:d03c8fcb-2516-4059-8a6a-dc5e64462f8b@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>> On Dec 2, 6:38 am, "Guest" <llco...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>>>> I think Oswald was to shoot Kennedy and started to, but then he
heard
> >>>>>> other shots and saw the murder, THEN he knew that something was
up and
> >>>>>> that could be why he left his job and went home and got a gun.
Those
> >>>>>> shots - two almost simultaneously could not be done be one man.
> >>>>> Can you please explain what lead you to this belief?
> >>>>> I'm not saying that you are wrong; my personal belief is that the
evidence
> >>>>> is inconclusive so your theory is as valid as anyone else's as far
as I am
> >>>>> concerned, but I would be interested to know why you have come to
this
> >>>>> conclusion. I am really interested in why people have strong
beliefs.
> >>>>> (I also suspect that is one of the reasons that Dr McAdams has for
running
> >>>>> this forum but I have no evidence to sup****t this - how's that for
a
> >>>>> conspiracy theory, Dr McAdams?.)
> >>>> Well, my theory comes from the two shots on top of each other.
That alone
> >>>> let's you know that there were two shooter. Oswald may have shot
or tried
> >>>> to shot and maybe that was the shot that missed, then the
professional
> >>>> killer finished the job from there. Oswald knew then that he did
not fire
> >>>> the fatal shots so he knew that he had to break the hell out of
there.
> >>>> Some say that Oswald was innocent, but I think that he was involved
but
> >>>> thought that he was a big player and an im****tant man. Maybe when
the
> >>>> government tells us everything about this very mysterious L.H.
Oswald,
> >>>> then we can better understand how he got caught up in this killing
world.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> Thanks. Your theory doesn't sound unreasonable.
> >>> I agree that Oswald is a mysterious character.
> >>> I also think that several organisations, in a effort to cover
> >>> themselves, have tampered with and destroyed evidence, so we will
> >>> probably never know.
> >>> One amazing thing that I cannot get over is that this was regarded
as
> >>> a murder investigation, a matter for the DPD. Why did the CIA not
> >>> step in and say it may be an act of war from the outset? The DPD
was
> >> Because that would mean WWIII and the deaths of 40 million Americans.
>
> >>> used to handling non-organised crimes and there modus operandi was
not
> >>> suitable here. This caused to a lot of errors.- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> > Yeuhd and yourself make very good points; it still rankles in my mind
> > that this was treated as a routine murder investigation. Weird!
>
> > Out of interest, Mr Marsh, may I put upon you a bit more and ask where
> > can I find details on this stranger in the TSBD, please?
>
> Learn to use Google Groups.
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> Subject: THE TSBD AND THE OLD "STRANGER"
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> It is generally thought, by most, that there were no confirmed re****ts
of
> any "strangers" having been present in the TSBD at any time on November
> 22, 1963, prior to the shooting at 12:30 P.M. Indeed, many Lone Nut
> adherents often point this fact out. The only problem is that this is
> untrue. Danny Arce was a young co-worker of Lee Harvey Oswald's at the
> TSBD in November, 1963. He worked with the floor laying crew, first, on
> the 5th floor,and then, by November 22nd, on the 6th floor. Arce gave
> testimony to the Warren Commission. His questioner was Joseph Ball.
During
> his testimony, Arce related an incident which occured shortly before the
> shooting:
>
> Mr. ARCE. I helped this old man, this gentleman in there.
> Mr. BALL. You saw an old man?
> Mr. ARCE. Yeah.
> Mr. BALL. Where?
> Mr. ARCE. Right in front of the Texas School Book Depository.
> Mr. BALL. When?
> Mr. ARCE. Right, you know, it was before it happened; I don't know.
> Mr. BALL. How long before the President went by?
> Mr. ARCE. I don't know. I think it was about 10 minutes, some place
around
> there, 15 minutes; I'm not too sure.
> Mr. BALL. What about the old man; what was noticeable about him?
> Mr. ARCE. Well, he said he had kidney trouble, could I direct him to the
> men's room and I said I would and I helped him up the steps and walked
him
> into the restroom and I opened the door for him and that's when I went
> inside
> to eat my lunch and then I seen him walk out.
> Mr. BALL. Did you see him talk to anyone in there?
> Mr. ARCE. No; he went straight out.
> Mr. BALL. Was he in a car?
> Mr. ARCE. Yeah, after I went outside I seen him driving out in a black
car.
>
> Mr. BALL. He drove away?
> Mr. ARCE. Yes, sir.
> Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him again?
> Mr. ARCE. No, never seen him again.
>
> There are several things worth noting about Arce's account. First, this
> was indeed an apparent stranger, as Arce had no idea who he was. Second,
> the reason that the man gave for wanting to enter the TSBD was "kidney
> trouble". So then, was it just a "coincidence" that this "old man" just
> happened to single out the TSBD as his potential source for relief?
> Indeed, what was this old fellow even doing in Dealey Plaza? One might
say
> that this is a rather ridiculous question, for crowds were then
gathering
> to watch the President's motorcade, and many "strangers" were settling
> into Dealy Plaza to view it. However, there is a very curious aspect to
> Arce's account, and it strongly hints that this old gentleman's purpose
> for being in Dealey Plaza was clearly *NOT* to watch the motorcade. For
> Arce was certain that shortly after leaving the Depository, he saw this
> man drive away in a black car, and he never saw him return to the area
to
> view the parade. So we now have a stranger, with full access to a car,
and
> therefore with the ability to stop at virtually any nearby service
station
> in order to relieve himself, instead opting to park in Dealey Plaza for
no
> apparent reason, (after all, he drove away immediately upon exiting the
> Depository, and had no apparent desire to take in the Presidential
parade)
> and choose the TSBD, of all places and buildings, to relieve himself.
>
> Coincidence? Well, perhaps. But this incident apparently occured during
a
> very crucial time frame, both in terms of the assassination itself, and
with
> respect to the surmised actions of Lee Harvey Oswald. Carolyn Arnold
claimed
> to have seen Oswald on a lower floor at approximately 12:15, having his
> lunch.
>
> Arce claimed that his encounter with the old stranger happened around
the
> same time. Could this fellow have been a handler, or contact, of
Oswald's?
> Could it have been pre-arranged for Oswald to meet with him around this
> time for further instructions? Could Lee Harvey Oswald have, in fact,
been
> in or near that rest room when the stranger entered the TSBD? It would
> have been vital, of course, if Oswald was the pre-ordained 'patsy" to
keep
> him out of sight during the shooting, rather than rely upon sheer luck.
> Could the old stranger have told Oswald to sit tight for a few minutes,
> out of sight, until he returned, only to speed away and leave Lee
hanging
> at 12:30? All speculation of course. But at least we do know that, for a
> brief time before the actual shooting, there was indeed at least one
> stranger present in the TSBD that day.
>
> Regards,
> O.H. LEE
>
> O.H. LEE (ga...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
>
> "Don't believe the so-called evidence."
>
> Lee Harvey Oswald to his brother Robert
> Saturday, November 23, 1963
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Thank you very much for that, Mr Marsh. Most interesting
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