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Re: The Witnesses

by claviger <historiae.fides@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 24, 2008 at 12:21 AM

Robert,

This is a perplexing subject. You would think that many witnesses can't be

wrong. Assuming they are correct, we must reconsider the implications 
pertaining to the timing of all 3 shots.

A majority of witnesses claim they heard a total of 3 shots and the first 
shot missed. It is obvious shots were fired at z225 and z313. Those are 
considered by most researchers to be the 2nd and 3rd shots fired at the 
Limousine. When we measure the timing between those two frames we get 4.8 
seconds. According to the witnesses you quote the interval between the 1st

and 2nd shot was even longer. If we go backward from z225 the most we can 
go to is frame z133 which is 5.0 seconds earlier. There is some evidence 
to sup****t z133: "One of the best witnesses is photographer Tina Towner. 
Tina has always been specific that the first shot came just a second or 
two AFTER she stopped filming; she actually stopped only a second or two 
before Z133." Gary Mack

If the 1st shot was fired at z133 then the difference is only 2 seconds, 
which may or may not account for the auricular perception re****ted by 
these witnesses. Oddly enough z225 would then be halfway between the first

and last shot. If this is what happened then all 3 shots were fired in 9.8

seconds, which is interesting because some researchers now claim that 10 
seconds may be closer to the truth.

There is a new theory put forth by Max Holland the first shot was fired 
during the pause when Zapruder turned off his camera waiting for the 
Presidential Limousine to make the turn from Houston to Elm. By the time 
he restarted his camera the Limousine has completed the turn and is moving

down Elm, so it's possible LHO took his first shot prior to z133. If these

witnesses are correct in their perception of the time interval between 
shots it would lend weight to Holland's theory.

The missing link is the first shot and there is no single reaction by 
anyone to pinpoint it. The only hope is to piece together the collective 
reactions of several people to give us some idea. There are several people

to watch in the film that may give a clue: Clint Hill, Agent Hickey, 
Rosemary Willis, Governor Connally, and of course, the President.

Notice early in the film Hickey is sitting upright then suddenly leans to 
his left and seems to be looking down at the street. Why? Rosemary Willis 
said she was running with the Limousine until she stopped suddenly when 
she heard a loud noise. Gov. Connally said he heard a loud noise that 
sounded like a rifle shot and looked immediately to his right. We can 
clearly see him turn to the right where he is not smiling and appears to 
be staring intently at the crowd. By contrast the President seems to be 
happy and enjoying the crowd until passing behind the road sign.

A ballistics expert who studied this case for over two decades is in 
agreement the first shot missed the Limousine. He thinks it ricocheted off

the pavement causing a fragment of the bullet to strike the President in 
the back of the head. He believes the President reacted to this flesh 
wound by saying out loud, "My God, I've been hit!" Only Agent Kellerman 
claims to have heard him say this. Doctors think the 2nd shot that pierced

the President's throat damaged his trachea so it would not be possible for

him to speak, therefore the words heard by Agent Kellerman must have been 
a reaction to the 1st shot. No other passenger heard the President say 
anything at all.

The person who prepared the President's body for burial noticed cement 
particles on the President's face. A majority of witnesses believe the 
first shot missed. Five out of six witnesses who saw a bullet strike the 
pavement were sure it was the first shot fired. This shot missed everyone 
on Elm Street, but a fragment may have nicked James Tague standing on Main

Street.

If JFK was struck by a fragment early in the film he doesn't appear to 
react at all. If he was not struck by a fragment then he, like many other 
people in the crowd, may have thought it was a firecracker or a motorcycle

backfire, so he paid no attention to it. The question is why would 
Kellerman lie about hearing the President react? Could it be the President

was making a joke after hearing this first loud pop? Or is it possible JFK

was able to speak after the 2nd shot but quickly went into shock?

With all this in mind, study the body language of all these people and see

what you come up with.
 




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The Witnesses
Robert Harris <reharri  2008-01-22 18:19:21 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-01-24 00:21:56 
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Robert Harris <reharri  2008-01-24 22:13:31 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-01-25 00:51:14 
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YoHarvey <baileynme@[E  2008-01-25 21:43:09 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-01-26 00:26:56 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-02-03 11:37:31 
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geovulture@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-02-21 14:58:24 
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Robert Harris <reharri  2008-02-22 12:40:46 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-02-22 12:59:45 
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YoHarvey <baileynme@[E  2008-02-22 13:00:39 
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geovulture@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-02-23 12:10:00 
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geovulture@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-02-23 12:11:25 
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Robert Harris <reharri  2008-02-23 22:53:02 
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Walt <papakochenbrot@[  2008-02-23 09:35:30 
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Walt <papakochenbrot@[  2008-02-23 17:04:28 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-02-24 13:44:21 
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Walt <papakochenbrot@[  2008-02-24 13:50:03 
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Walt <papakochenbrot@[  2008-02-24 20:40:21 
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geovulture@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-02-24 21:17:43 
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Robert Harris <reharri  2008-02-26 18:29:14 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-02-26 18:43:37 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-02-27 00:54:32 
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geovulture@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-02-27 14:05:04 
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Robert Harris <reharri  2008-03-01 10:22:55 
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Raymond <Bluerhymer@[E  2008-02-27 12:43:09 
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Bud <sirslick@[EMAIL P  2008-03-01 19:28:41 
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Raymond <Bluerhymer@[E  2008-03-08 15:52:46 
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Bud <sirslick@[EMAIL P  2008-03-08 22:43:06 
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Raymond <Bluerhymer@[E  2008-03-08 22:45:03 
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Raymond <Bluerhymer@[E  2008-03-08 22:50:12 

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