On Feb 19, 1:57=C2=A0pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 5:04=C2=A0am, Raymond <Bluerhy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 18, 6:00=C2=A0pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 7, 1:30=EF=BF=BDpm, "tomnln" <tom...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > Only two spent shells found.
>
> > > > SEE link below.
>
> > > >http://whokilledjfk.net/catch_of_the_day.htm
>
> > > The physical and other evidence examined by the Commission compels
the=
> > > conclusion that at least two shots were fired. As discussed
> > > previously, the nearly whole bullet discovered at Parkland Hospital
> > > and the two larger fragments found in the Presidential automobile,
> > > which were identified as coming from the assassination rifle, came
> > > from at least two separate bullets and possibly from three.
>
> > > The most convincing evidence relating to the number of shots was
> > > provided by the presence on the sixth floor of three spent
cartridges
> > > which were demonstrated to have been fired by the same rifle that
> > > fired the bullets which caused the wounds. It is possible that the
> > > assassin carried AN EMPTY SHELL in the rifle and fired only two
shots,=
> > > with the witnesses hearing multiple noises made by the same shot.
>
> > > Soon after the three empty cartridges were found, officials at the
> > > scene decided that three shots were fired, and that conclusion was
> > > widely circulated by the press. The eyewitness testimony may be
> > > subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the
conclusion=
> > > that three shots were fired. Nevertheless, the preponderance of the
> > > evidence, in particular the three spent cartridges, led the
Commission=
> > > to conclude that there were three shots fired.
>
> > > Warren Comm Re****t pp 110-111
>
> > PAGE II
>
> > PAGE II
>
> > By now, anyone interested in the JFK coup, knows that the Warren
> > Commission concluded that three shots were fired from the Texas School
> > Book Depository. Allegedly, the first shot missed completely and no
> > fragments were recovered. =C2=A0Not sure again, they said that the
secon=
d
> > shot hit JFK in the back, exited through his neck, went through John
> > Connally, and ended up on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital. It became
> > known as the Magic Bullet (C.E. 399). Finally, a third shot became the
> > fatal bullet t hat hit JFK in the head. According to students , who
> > agree with the Warren fable, much of this bullet was recovered in the
> > limousine and in the body of the President. The only fragment
> > recovered from the Magic Bullet was found allegedly in the Governor.
>
> > But for now, let's just deal with the weight of 399. Forget about the
> > tale of its journey to the hospital and its discovery. CE 399 , when
> > recovered, weighed in at 158.6 grains. We do not know the weight of
> > the bullet before firing, so we don't know how much of the slug is
> > missing. "FBI Firearm's Expert, Robert Frazier weighed three 6.5 mm
> > caliber bullets chosen at random and found them to weigh 160.85, 161,5
> > and 161.1 grains. WC Vol.III, page 430 . Is it possible that CE 399,
> > weighing 158.6 grains, did not have any weight loss?"
>
> > Now before someone informs us that there cannot use mm's and calibers
> > together, that's correct. The WC may not know the difference.
=C2=A0For
> > anyone interested on how to convert inches to mm's, multiply by 25.4
> > To convert mm's to inches , multiply by .0394 =C2=A0 example:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 6.5 mm
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0X.0394
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0_____________
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0.2561 =C2=A0 caliber
>
> > =C2=A0HSCA Answer-
> > "All bullet weights are approximate. Due to the manufacturing
> > tolerances, it is not possible to determine weight loss without
> > knowing the actual weight prior to firing. Characteristically, some
> > weight is lost from a combination of friction, pressure and heat
> > resulting from the firing process. Impact/ penetration damage may also
> > cause some weight loss."
>
> > =C2=A0 ISSUE A-4
> > "I feel that there would be some difficulty explaining all wounds as
> > being inflicted by bullet exhibit 399 without causing more in the way
> > of loss of substance to the bullet or deformation of the bullet."--
> > Dr. Robert Shaw, WC Hearings, Vol. IV, page 114.
>
> > Italian experts test JFK assassination gun
> > Published: June 29, 2007 at 10:56 PM
> > TERNI, Italy, June 29 (UPI) -- Italian weapons experts say tests on
> > the type of rifle used to kill U.S. President John F. Kennedy show
> > assassin Lee Harvey Oswald could not have acted alone.
>
> > In one test, a bullet was fired through two large pieces of meat to
> > simulate the assumed path of a shot that the Warren Commission
> > concluded struck Texas Gov. John Connally after passing through
> > Kennedy's body. In the test, the bullet ended deformed, while the
> > bullet in the Kennedy assassination remained intact.
>
> > Conspiracy theories about the assassination have been circulating for
> > more than four decades.
>
> > =C2=A9 2007 United Press International. All Rights Reserved.
> > This material may not be reproduced, redistributed, or manipulated in
> > any form
>
> > The Warren Commission re****t concluded that Oswald fired three shots
> > with a Carcano M91/38 bolt-action rifle in 7 seconds to kill Kennedy
> > in Dallas in 1963. However, tests supervised by the Italian Army
> > showed it would take 19 seconds to get off three shots with that type
> > of gun, the Italian news agency ANSA re****ted.
>
> > However, the timing of the shots were determined based on the Zapruder
> > camera filming at 18.3 frames per second, =C2=A0which can easily be
prov=
en
> > to be false, The camera was framing at 16 frames per second as it was
> > designed and manufatured to do when fully wound.. This adds 15% to all
> > of the calculations using the 18.3 frames per second. This includes
> > the speed of the limousine and other results. At 16 FPS, anyone would
> > have had plenty of time to fire three shots----assuming that three
> > shots were fired from the TSBD. It has never been PROVEN thst this was
> > the case. Even the Warren Wizards questioned the three shot theory
> > from the sixth floor window.
>
> > SEE pp 110-111 Warren Cimmission
>
> > The physical and other evidence examined by the Commission compels the
> > conclusion that at least TWO shots were fired. As discussed
> > previously, the nearly whole bullet discovered at Parkland Hospital
> > and the two larger fragments found in the Presidential automobile,
> > which were identified as coming from the assassination rifle, came
> > from at least TWO separate bullets and POSSIBLY from three.
>
> > The most convincing evidence relating to the number of shots was
> > provided by the presence on the sixth floor of three spent cartridges
> > which were demonstrated to have been fired by the same rifle that
> > fired the bullets which caused the wounds. It is possible that the
> > assassin carried AN EMPTY SHELL in the rifle and fired only two shots,
> > with the witnesses hearing multiple noises made by the same shot.
>
> > Soon after the three empty cartridges were found, officials at the
> > scene decided that three shots were fired, and that conclusion was
> > widely circulated by the press. The eyewitness testimony may be
> > subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the conclusion
> > that three shots were fired. Nevertheless, the preponderance of the
> > evidence, in particular the three spent cartridges, led the Commission
> > to conclude that there were three shots fired.
>
> > If we are willing to agree that the original bullet weighed 161
> > grains, we must believe that only 2.4 grains are missing. That means
> > that if more than 2.4 grains was in Connally, it was not from CE 399,
> > the alleged second shot. =C2=A0According to Robert Frazier, "no more
tha=
n
> > three or four grains could be missing from CE 399 and there did not
> > necessarily have to be any weight loss to the bullet."
>
> > There were eight fragment specimens recovered from the Dallas
> > shooting. Only one of these ( CE 842-Q9 ) was recovered from Connally.
> > It weighed 0.5 grains and allegedly had to come from 399. And since
> > none of the copper outer skin =C2=A0of 399 was missing and the FBI
teste=
d
> > the 0.5 grain fragment for copper , we can only conclude that the
> > fragment somehow allegedly came from the inner core of the mysterious
> > bullet.
>
> > There is another problem with the Connally fragments. Dr. Robert Shaw,
> > the surgeon that operated on the Governor, told the Warren Wizards
> > that he believed that more than three grains were in the wrist alone.
> > Audrey Bell, the operating room nurse, stated that there were four or
> > five fragments " anywhere from three to four millimeters in length and
> > a couple of millimeters wide. " These fragments disappeared at the
> > autopsy. =C2=A0In addition, what happened to the fragment found in
> > Connally's leg wound?
>
> > Also, there was a fragment in the governor's chest that was never
> > recovered, He died with fragments still in his body that may have
> > weighed more than the alleged two or three missing grains from 399, a
> > bullet described as pristine or near pristine, and the Wizards also
> > say: "The Governor's wrist wound was not caused =C2=A0by a pristine
> > bullet." ( p.94 ). =C2=A0Only because 399 was found at Parkland did
the
> > Warrens have to explain its part in the drama. They didn't know if it
> > was the bullet that hit JFK and
> > Connally anymore than any of us do. They didn't know for sure if a
> > shot missed (WR p.111) They didn't know =C2=A0 for sure if the
fragments=
in
> > the car came from the JFK/ Connally hit or from the head shot. With
> > their unprofessional logic, they guessed that they came from the head
> > shot. .. since a shot allegedly missed and 399 was from JFK/JC, ergo,
> > the frags had to come from the head shot. Yet, they weren't sure about
> > the two fragments found in the car: "The heavier fragment was a
> > ****tion of a bullet's =C2=A0nose and =C2=A0a lighter fragment
consisted =
of a
> > bullet's base ****tion." Then, "The two fragments were both mutilated
> > and it was not possible to determine from the fragments themselves
> > whether they comprised the base and nose of one bullet or of =C2=A0two
> > separate bullets."
>
> > If one shot allegedly missed the car and one was found complete at
> > Parkland, how could anyone believe that the fragment nose and base
> > could have come from separate shots?
>
> > Finally, or at least for now:
>
> > The HSCA =C2=A0Analysis /Comments Example # 2:
>
> > "CE 399 has been termed the miracle bullet because of the feats
> > attributed to it. The WC never did a test that simulated all of the
> > wounds but rather simulated each wound independently. The only way to
> > test 399's believability is to simulate all seven ...
>
> > read more =C2=BB- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> PAGE III
>
> The Mannlicher Carcano in the National Archives is not the weapon
> owned by Lee Oswald and is not the weapon that he purchased in the
> spring of 1963 to kill General Walker. However, it is the murder
> weapon that was used to murder President Kennedy and found on the
> sixth floor of the TSBD,
>
> There was a second MC purchased to frame LHO after the serial number
> of his rifle was known. The original serial number of the second
> weapon was removed from the barrel and C-2766 was re stamped on the
> barrel to be the ONLY evidence connection to Oswald after the shooting
> event in Dallas. The weapon owned by Oswald was still in the rolled up
> Russian blanket when Oswald left the Paine home for work on the
> morning of Nov. 22, 1963 and it was removed after he left for work.
> Perhaps Ms. Ruth Paine will someday tell us about WHO removed the
> Oswald rifle from the blanket and left the light on in her garage.
> Could it have been Bardwell D.Odum.... "Bard to Ruth..."He stopped by
> often." Was he in the empty house next door to the Paine home that was
> used to monitor the Oswalds while they stayed as guests of Ruth and
> Mike Paine?. Was he there waiting for Lee to leave so he could remove
> the Oswald rifle? =C2=A0Mike also knew Odum =C2=A0"well" and
=C2=A0before =
Nov. 22.
> See Mike's testimony
>
> To change the serial number was an easy task. The rifle can be
> disassembled in minutes and the barrel, where the serial number was
> stamped on, =C2=A0can be removed with ease and a new serial number can
be
> replaced by anyone with simple tools and a metal number stamping kit.
> And, with acid, the original serial number can be recovered.
>
> The two different weapons are as different as day is to night. Even a
> blind may could discover the difference .
>
> SEE; The Second Carcano:http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/c2766.html
>
> The Oswald rifle was 34" long. The murder weapon was 39" long. the
> sling mounts on the Oswald weapon were on the bottom while the sling
> mounts on the murder weapon were on the side. SEE PHOTOS
>
> Even Marina Oswald, who knew nothing about guns noticed the
> difference:
>
> "Another witness to receive extraordinary treatment in the Oswald case
> was his wife, Marina. She was taken to the jail while her husband was
> still alive and shown a rifle by Chief of Police Jesse Curry. Asked if
> it were Oswald=E2=80=99s, she replied that she believed Oswald had a
rifle=
but
> that it didn=E2=80=99t look like that".
>
>
http://www.davemckay.co.uk/philosophy/russell/russell.php?name=3D16.que...=
>
> Summary
>
> The existence of two rifles with the serial number C-2766 in evidence
> means that no one can prove that the rifle found in the Texas School
> Book Depository belonged to Lee Harvey Oswald. =C2=A0In fact, it is
highly=
> unlikely. =C2=A0The only photographs of Oswald with the rifle shows that
i=
t
> had a bottom sling mount -- the rifle found in the Depository did not.
>
> Since the Warren Commission concluded that there was only one rifle of
> that type to bear that serial number, it seems safe to conclude that
> the second C-2766 was a forgery. =C2=A0And what other reason could there
b=
e
> to forge the serial number other than to frame Oswald ?
>
> " I'm just a patsy."
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Who is Bardwell D. Odum ?
See THE UBIQUITOUS BARD
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