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Re: the Altgens photo

by Walt <papakochenbrot@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 23, 2008 at 04:58 PM

On 21 Feb, 13:58, Robert Harris <reharr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> In article
> <60bdcc17-0884-4555-b7b4-4401109e2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
>
> =A0Walt <papakochenb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > On 22 Jan, 17:16, Robert Harris <reharr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > The photograph taken by AP photographer, James Altgens at the
> > > equivalent of Zapruder frame, 255, provides us with an excellent,
> > > objective means to timestamp many critical witness recollections
> > > related to the timing of the shots.
>
> > Bob, I know that you're aware that there is a problem with stating
> > that James Altgens took that photo concurrent with frame 255 of the Z
> > film. =A0DPD motorcycle officer, James Cheney is directly beside the
> > right hand side of the Lincoln in James Altgen's photo, but he is NOT
> > there at frame 255 of Zapruder's film. =A0 =A0I believe the Altgen's
pho=
to
> > is proof that the Z film is not authentic..... =A0You can believe what
> > ever you want, but you should at least deal with the FACTS.
>
> Walt, I went though this years ago, and I once agreed with you.
>
> But, I did some analysis on my CAD program, which proved that this was
> an illusion. Chaney LOOKs like he is riding alongside the limo, but if
> he was, and assuming he was in the center of the rightmost lane, the
> front tire of his motorcycle would have been partially visible in the
> Altgens photo.
>
> He was actually, well behind the limo. I think what caused the illusion
> that he is closer to Altgens is the wide angle lense he was using.
>
He was actually, well behind the limo. I think what caused the
illusion that he is closer to Altgens is the wide angle lense he was
using.

I'm no shutterbug but this statement seems backward to me....  Doesn't
a TELEPHOTO lense cause the distortion that you're attributing to a
wide angle lense??




> Robert Harris
>
>
>
>
>
> > > This works because a number of witnesses who are visible in the
> > > photograph, described hearing two gunshots after events that we can
> > > see, had not yet happened when the picture was taken. Here are some
> > > examples.
>
> > > 1. SA Hickey said he was looking to his left when he heard the first
o=
f
> > > three shots. He said he then turned to his right, partially stood
up,
> > > and looked directly to the rear. He taid he then turned back to the
> > > front, just in time to hear two shots, one of them striking the
> > > President.
>
> > > But at Z255, we can see that Hickey is still turned, fully facing
the
> > > rear. He is yet to turn to look at the President and is yet to hear
> > > those two shots.
>
> > > 2. SA Warren Taylor said he heard one shot, and shortly afterward,
> > > stepped out of the car. He said just as his foot hit the pavement ,
he=

> > > heard two more shots.
>
> > > But at Z255, we can easily see that although the door is wide open,
he=

> > > has not yet taken that step. He has yet to do so and is yet to hear
> > > those two shots.
>
> > > 3. Hwy Patrolman Milton Wright, the driver of the mayor's car said
he
> > > heard two shots after turning off of Houston onto Elm and then
> > > traveling about 30 feet.
>
> > > In the Altgens photo, the mayor's car, which is next in line after
the=

> > > car Taylor was in, is nowhere to be seen. It has yet to make that
turn=
,
> > > and Wright is yet to hear those two shots.
>
> > > 4. SA Glen Bennett said he was looking at the crowd to his right
when
> > > he heard heard one shot, and then turned frontward to see the
Presiden=
t
> > > just in time to hear a gunshot, which he (mistakenly) believed
struck
> > > Kennedy's back. He said the fatal head shot then followed
> > > "immediately".
>
> > > But in blowups of the Altgens photo, we can see that Bennett is
*still=
*
> > > turned to his right as he said he was before those final shots, and
as=

> > > we can see him in earlier photos. He will turn to the front later,
and=

> > > then hear those two shots which he thought struck the President's
back=

> > > and head.
>
> > > Of course, these are only a few of the witnesses whom we can
timestamp=

> > > through the photos and films. For example, every nonvictim in the
> > > Presidential limousine said he turned to examine either the
President
> > > or Gov. Connally, and *then* heard multiple shots or in Jackie's
case,=

> > > "terrible noises". In each case, we can see that those turns were
not
> > > carried out until the Z250's or later.
>
> > > Combined with the overwhelming majority of witnesses all throughout
DP=

> > > who said the final shots were bunched closely together, these
witnesse=
s
> > > form a very solid consensus proving in a multitude of different
ways,
> > > that the final shots were bunched closely together.
>
> > > And finally, we can pinpoint at least one of the final shots, in
three=

> > > different ways.
>
> > > 1. Nobel prize winning physicist, Dr. Luis Alvarez's determination
tha=
t
> > > there was a loud noise that startled Abraham Zapruder at frame Z285
> > > (Alvarez guessed that a siren may have been the cause).
>
> > > 2. Statements by Charles Brehm, corroborated by four witnesses
standin=
g
> > > near him, that a shot was fired just as the President passed
directly
> > > in front of him and was just 15 feet away. This is *exactly*
> > > where Kennedy was, relative to Brehm at Z285. =A0
>
> > > =A03. Beginning 1/3 of a second after Z285, every nonvictim in the
> > > =A0limousine either ducked, dropping his/her head by 30 or more
degree=
s,
> > > =A0and/or spun rapidly around, all beginning in the same 1/6th of a
> > > =A0single second. The reactions were not only in perfect unison, but
w=
ere
> > > =A0extremely rapid.
>
> > > 1.5 seconds later, a nearly perfect shot struck President Kennedy in
> > > the back of the heard.
>
> > > Tests by experts for both the HSCA and FBI determined that a minimum
o=
f
> > > 2.25 seconds was required to reload and aim the weapon.
>
> > > Additional tests, employing expert riflemen from the Wash. DC police
> > > force, firing through only the iron sights of the rifle, at larger
> > > targets, 100 feet closer than Kennedy was at Z312, further confirmed
> > > this point. =A0
>
> > > There was at least one other sniper at work that day. There was,
with
> > > no doubt whatsoever, a conspiracy to murder this President.
>
> > > Bob Harris
>
> > > --
> > > Check out my website, The JFK Assassination Home
> > > Pagehttp://www.thuntek.net/jfk/
>
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 13 Posts in Topic:
the Altgens photo
Robert Harris <reharri  2008-01-22 18:16:48 
Re: the Altgens photo
Raymond <Bluerhymer@[E  2008-02-20 00:10:12 
Re: the Altgens photo
Robert Harris <reharri  2008-02-20 14:55:22 
Re: the Altgens photo
aeffects <aeffects04@[  2008-02-20 11:31:01 
Re: the Altgens photo
Walt <papakochenbrot@[  2008-02-20 21:41:59 
Re: the Altgens photo
Robert Harris <reharri  2008-02-21 14:58:30 
Re: the Altgens photo
Walt <papakochenbrot@[  2008-02-22 12:32:22 
Re: the Altgens photo
YoHarvey <baileynme@[E  2008-02-22 12:40:24 
Re: the Altgens photo
Raymond <Bluerhymer@[E  2008-02-22 21:52:06 
Re: the Altgens photo
Walt <papakochenbrot@[  2008-02-23 04:38:03 
Re: the Altgens photo
Raymond <Bluerhymer@[E  2008-02-23 12:07:50 
Re: the Altgens photo
Walt <papakochenbrot@[  2008-02-23 16:58:12 
Re: the Altgens photo
Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-04-05 18:41:18 

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