On 25 Jan, 20:22, claviger <historiae.fi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Jan 24, 11:51=A0pm, "tomnln" <tom...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "claviger" <historiae.fi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Jan 23, 11:21 pm, claviger <historiae.fi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > Robert,
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> > > This is a perplexing subject. You would think that many witnesses
can'=
t be
> > > wrong. Assuming they are correct, we must reconsider the
implications
> > > pertaining to the timing of all 3 shots.
>
> > > A majority of witnesses claim they heard a total of 3 shots and the
fi=
rst
> > > shot missed. It is obvious shots were fired at z225 and z313. Those
ar=
e
> > > considered by most researchers to be the 2nd and 3rd shots fired at
th=
e
> > > Limousine. When we measure the timing between those two frames we
get =
4.8
> > > seconds. According to the witnesses you quote the interval between
the=
1st
> > > and 2nd shot was even longer. If we go backward from z225 the most
we =
can
> > > go to is frame z133 which is 5.0 seconds earlier. There is some
eviden=
ce
> > > to sup****t z133: "One of the best witnesses is photographer Tina
Towne=
r.
> > > Tina has always been specific that the first shot came just a second
o=
r
> > > two AFTER she stopped filming; she actually stopped only a second or
t=
wo
> > > before Z133." Gary Mack
>
> > > If the 1st shot was fired at z133 then the difference is only 2
second=
s,
> > > which may or may not account for the auricular perception re****ted
by
> > > these witnesses. Oddly enough z225 would then be halfway between the
f=
irst
> > > and last shot. If this is what happened then all 3 shots were fired
in=
9.8
> > > seconds, which is interesting because some researchers now claim
that =
10
> > > seconds may be closer to the truth.
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> > > There is a new theory put forth by Max Holland the first shot was
fire=
d
> > > during the pause when Zapruder turned off his camera waiting for the
> > > Presidential Limousine to make the turn from Houston to Elm. By the
ti=
me
> > > he restarted his camera the Limousine has completed the turn and is
mo=
ving
> > > down Elm, so it's possible LHO took his first shot prior to z133. If
t=
hese
> > > witnesses are correct in their perception of the time interval
between=
> > > shots it would lend weight to Holland's theory.
>
> > > The missing link is the first shot and there is no single reaction
by
> > > anyone to pinpoint it. The only hope is to piece together the
collecti=
ve
> > > reactions of several people to give us some idea. There are several
pe=
ople
> > > to watch in the film that may give a clue: Clint Hill, Agent Hickey,
> > > Rosemary Willis, Governor Connally, and of course, the President.
>
> > > Notice early in the film Hickey is sitting upright then suddenly
leans=
to
> > > his left and seems to be looking down at the street. Why? Rosemary
Wil=
lis
> > > said she was running with the Limousine until she stopped suddenly
whe=
n
> > > she heard a loud noise. Gov. Connally said he heard a loud noise
that
> > > sounded like a rifle shot and looked immediately to his right. We
can
> > > clearly see him turn to the right where he is not smiling and
appears =
to
> > > be staring intently at the crowd. By contrast the President seems to
b=
e
> > > happy and enjoying the crowd until passing behind the road sign.
>
> > > A ballistics expert who studied this case for over two decades is in
> > > agreement the first shot missed the Limousine. He thinks it
ricocheted=
off
> > > the pavement causing a fragment of the bullet to strike the
President =
in
> > > the back of the head. He believes the President reacted to this
flesh
> > > wound by saying out loud, "My God, I've been hit!" Only Agent
Kellerma=
n
> > > claims to have heard him say this. Doctors think the 2nd shot that
pie=
rced
> > > the President's throat damaged his trachea so it would not be
possible=
for
> > > him to speak, therefore the words heard by Agent Kellerman must have
b=
een
> > > a reaction to the 1st shot. No other passenger heard the President
say=
> > > anything at all.
>
> > > The person who prepared the President's body for burial noticed
cement=
> > > particles on the President's face. A majority of witnesses believe
the=
> > > first shot missed. Five out of six witnesses who saw a bullet strike
t=
he
> > > pavement were sure it was the first shot fired. This shot missed
every=
one
> > > on Elm Street, but a fragment may have nicked James Tague standing
on =
Main
> > > Street.
>
> > > If JFK was struck by a fragment early in the film he doesn't appear
to=
> > > react at all. If he was not struck by a fragment then he, like many
ot=
her
> > > people in the crowd, may have thought it was a firecracker or a
motorc=
ycle
> > > backfire, so he paid no attention to it. The question is why would
> > > Kellerman lie about hearing the President react? Could it be the
Presi=
dent
> > > was making a joke after hearing this first loud pop? Or is it
possible=
JFK
> > > was able to speak after the 2nd shot but quickly went into shock?
>
> > > With all this in mind, study the body language of all these people
and=
see
> > > what you come up with.
>
> >
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> > correction:
>
> > If the 1st shot was fired at z133 then the difference is only 0.2
second=
s,
> > which may or may not account for the auricular perception re****ted by
> > these witnesses. Oddly enough z225 would then be halfway between the
fir=
st
> > and last shot. If this is what happened then all 3 shots were fired in
9=
..8
> > seconds, which is interesting because some researchers now claim that
10=
> > seconds may be closer to the truth.
>
> > Looks like claviger KNOWS it can NOT be done in 5.6 seconds.
>
> > NEXT, he'll have the shooter meating a sandwich between shots.
> >
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> Tomnin,
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> > Looks like claviger KNOWS it can NOT be done in 5.6 seconds.
>
> > NEXT, he'll have the shooter meating a sandwich between shots.
>
> Do you mean introduced to a sandwich or preparing a sandwich?
>
> It has already been established 5.6 seconds is enough time for 3 shots
> with two reloads,
Perhaps the a Mannlicher Carcano can be fired threetimes in 5.6
seconds.... But I seriously doubt that a Mannlicher Carcano could be
fired ACCURATELY three times in 5.6 seconds. I own several MC's and
have fired them many times, so I speak from experience when I say I
SERIOUSLY doubt a MC could be firedACCURATELY in 5.6 seconds. The
other
aspect of the elapsed time of 5.6 seconds for the shooting is the FACT
that the shots would have to be approximately EVENLY spaced if the MC
is fired three times in 5.6 seconds. Virtually NONE of the witnesses
said the sounds of the gunshots were EVENLY spaced. 99.9% of the
witnesses said the first shot was separated from the next tow by
several seconds, and then shots two and three were nearly superimposed
on each other.
since the FBI estimated it takes 2.3 seconds to
> rechamber and fire the rifle. In actual field testing experiments
several
> volunteers were able to better that time frame. A little known fact is
> Robert Blakey and Gary Cornwell during the HSCA investigation took C2766
> (WC139) to the FBI firing range and test fired the rifle. Both Blakey
and
> Cornwell were able rechamber and fire the rifle in less than 2 seconds.-
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