On Feb 23, 11:10=A0am, geovult...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Feb 22, 11:59=A0am, claviger <historiae.fi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Feb 21, 1:58=A0pm, geovult...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Jan 25, 11:19=A0am, yeuhd <wall...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On Jan 24, 10:13=A0pm, Robert Harris <reharr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > Do you have a copy of the Towner film, btw?
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> > > > > Look closely at JFK as the limo turns onto Elm. There is a
maddeni=
ng break
> > > > > in the film, in which several frames are missing, but I think we
s=
ee him
> > > > > react to something, just before the limo comes between Towner
and =
the
> > > > > TSBD. During those missing frames, he seems to have fallen to
his =
left,
> > > > > and then we see him returning to an upright position.
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> > > > Eight frames are missing from the splice in the Towner film
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> > > > running 0.34 second.
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> > > It's ridiculous to say that there is no doubt about the timing.
> > > Reading through those accounts, there are maybe one or two that say
> > > the shots were right on top of each other (bang, bang). =A0The
remaind=
er
> > > are all using subjective terms that we have no actual reference for
in=
> > > terms of seconds. =A0What Robert has put together is a study that
> > > suggests that the sequence of shots was not spaced evenly.
=A0Nothing
> > > more. =A0In fact, we cannot even guarantee that as fact due to
errors =
in
> > > perception and artifacts of the accoustics in Dealey Plaza. =A0How
man=
y
> > > witnesses made statements contrary to the group that was listed?
=A0Wh=
y
> > > are they eliminated. =A0Why do they carry less weight?
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> > geovult,
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> > Indeed some witnesses do say the first two shots were closer together,
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nd
> > others say the shots were evenly spaced. At least 3 witness statements
> > sup****t the Max Holland theory. However, too many witnesses claimed to
> > hear the last two shots close together to be ignored. One possible
> > explanation is the last shot caused a loud enough echo to confuse
severa=
l
> > witnesses depending on where they were standing. This could be why
some
> > witnesses claimed to hear 4 shots (3 shots+1 echo). Many witnesses
thoug=
ht
> > the first shot was either a firecracker or motorcycle backfire, so
their=
> > perception may exclude the first sound and only recall two shots plus
an=
> > echo.
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> > There is one scenario that could explain the perception of the 2 last
> > shots being too close together for a bolt action rifle. If Oswald
fired
> > only 2 shots as some contend, because there was an empty shell still
in
> > the chamber, witnesses on the 5th floor did heard 3 shells hit the
woode=
n
> > floor above, but only 2 shots. The third shot could have been
accidently=
> > fired by a bodyguard behind the Limousine. Some witnesses claim they
hea=
rd
> > shots in or around the Limousine, which would explain the strong smell
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f
> > gunsmoke down on the street. It could also be the reason why LHO
thought=
> > he was a patsy. And it could certainly explain why there would be a
> > government cover-up for all these years and reluctance to release
> > metallurgic evidence for testing by modern scientific methods. While
> > bullet lead testing may not be conclusive, copper jacket testing would
b=
e.
> > It has been confirmed the copper mix of the two military FMJ bullets
in
> > question are not the same and can be differentiated by scientific
> > analysis. There is no reason for the Federal government to continue
> > withholding this evidence, which the Clark Panel requested a long time
> > ago.- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> You lost me on the second paragraph. =A0I think you need to go back and
> check your facts. =A0Please provide some information which says the
fifth
> floor witnesses only heard two shots. =A0I'd also like to see where the
> proof is that the bullets haven't been provided for modern scientific
> research. =A0Why then do we have all of these people trying to discredit
t=
he
> NAA evidence? =A0Finally, if you think that over 400 witnesses simply
miss=
ed
> a secret service member firing a weapon, then I guess you can talk
> yourself into anything.
geovult,
I haven't found any indication the 3 witnesses on the 5th floor first
said only 2 shots came from the floor above. That isn't my theory,
just something I read some time ago. I know tomnin thinks only 2
shells were found at the 6th floor window.
Jarman doesn't mention hearing shots in his affadavit on 11/23/63 and
in his WC testimony he doesn't seem to immediately perceive the shots
coming from the floor above. Norman is very clear he heard 3 shots and
they came above him in his 12/4/63 affidavit. In WC testimony Williams
said the last two shots sounded like they came from inside the
building. Only Norman seemed to immediately realize three shots came
from the floor directly above. See below:
JFK Asaassination witness page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
What the government refuses to release are the scrapings of the
entrance wound on the back of the skull. Bullets sometimes leave tiny
particles on entrance wounds caused by impact and friction as the
bullet penetrates the hard surface of the skull. They sometimes leave
particles in soft tissue as well. These minute particles can be
analyzed for metallurgical content. In this case the bullets in
question are both military FMJ type bullets encased in a copper
jacket. Lead content may not be determinate but the copper content is.
As for 400 witnesses it does seem hard to fathom, however there may be
reasons why. In the first place all eyes were on the President and the
sounds of gunfire were totally unexpected. Some witnesses did have the
impression of gunfire close to the Limousine. SS agent Clint Hill said
the last shot sounded different. Other witnesses mention this too. The
ammo for the AR15 used a new hi-tech gunpowder which produced a blue
flame that was invisible in the daytime. The weapon has no kick so it
could be accidently fired without the shooter knowing it went off. The
only thing is, it does make a sharp re****t.
How could passengers in the follow-up vehicle not hear it? Perhaps
they did but in the confusion did not relate to the sound correctly.
The ricochet from the missed shot exploded next to the Limousine and
made a loud sound too. Witnesses thought someone threw firecrackers at
the Limousine. The motorcycles had been backfiring all during the
motorcade. There were a number of sounds happening close to the
Limousine for the brain to process. The theory is the bodyguard in
question lost his balance and fell over with the rifle in hand.
Witnesses saw this happen and he admitted to falling in his testimony.
The accidental misfire would happen so quick even he didn't realize
what happened. There was crowd noise from cheering, clapping, and
people speaking as the motorcade passed by with the motorcycle escort
making a loud rumble along with the occasional backfire. Perhaps the
human brain was not able to immediately sort and recognize all the
cacophony of sounds which blended together.
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