On 27 Feb, 19:31, Raymond <Bluerhy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 7:17=EF=BF=BDpm, Walt <papakochenb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > On 27 Feb, 16:24, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 27, 10:44=EF=BF=BDam, Walt <papakochenb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:>=
On 27 Feb, 01:21, Raymond <Bluerhy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > Hey Walt, you know anything about any 7.35 MC's? =EF=BF=BDI am
reading=
a book
> > > where this CIA OP (Robert Morrow) was in the middle of Shaw, Ferrie,
> > > Oswald, Cuba and assignments, and says the 7.35's were brought in
> > > because they were good sniping rifles, and they had known of
Oswald's
> > > purchase of the 6.65 one, and were going to use the weapons in the
> > > blaming of Oswald for the killing of the President?
>
> > > The book is Betrayal
>
> > > CJ
>
> > > > > Miscellaneous Information on the Carcano
>
> > > > > Adam Consolidated (CRESCENT FIREARMS)
> > > > > "Three American firms entered the competition for the 91s that
the=
> > > > > Italian Defense Ministry was selling. Adam Consolidated, in
> > > > > conjunction with the Feldsott brothers,who won the bidding with
a
> > > > > total offer of $ 1,776,OOO for the approximately
=EF=BF=BD570,000 =
guns." =EF=BF=BD"...
> > > > > Some 5300 kilos (approx. 1200 Pounds) of parts were included in
th=
e
> > > > > contract price. Adam also purchased 2,608,704 rounds of
> > > > > ammunition, which were picked up and paid for as items separate
fr=
om
> > > > > the surplus weapons, on three occasions."
>
> > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDAug. 8, 1960 ....................653,176
cartri=
dges 6.5 mm
> > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDJuly 31, 1961.................... 1,304,352
=EF=
=BF=BD same
> > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDJune 6, 1962 ..................... 652,176
=EF=
=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDsame
>
> > > > > The price was =EF=BF=BD$13.57 per thousand, or somewhat more
than =
a penny per
> > > > > bullet.
> > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD---- THE GUN - Henry S. Bloomgarden
>
> > > > > Apparently, thousands of these Italian rifles were sold in the
US
> > > > > before Crescent won the above bid. Klein's was selling the 7.35
mm=
as
> > > > > early as the spring of 1958 =EF=BF=BDIn their ad of 4-58, the
MANN=
LICHER HIGH
> > > > > POWER RIFLE sold for $12.95- Good outside, very good inside. A
ver=
y
> > > > > good outside-Excellent inside sold for $14.95 and an Excellent
ins=
ide
> > > > > and outside cost $16.95. For 98 cents, a leather sling was
availab=
le
> > > > > and a cleaning rod cost 79 cents. Military ammo in clips of
six-12=
for
> > > > > 98 cents- 48 for $2.98.
>
> > > > > The following month-the same ad, but the sling and rod were
includ=
ed
> > > > > free. =EF=BF=BD From 7-58 until 10-60, Klein's did not
> > > > > advertise any MCs. Then, in 10-60 appeared their ad for the
CUSTOM=
> > > > > S****TERIZED MODEL for $19.88.
>
> > > > > In 3-62 the 6.5 mm was advertised for $11.88. AMERICAN RIFLEMAN
. =
=EF=BF=BDIn
> > > > > 1958, Congressman Morano was pleading : "Let's find out where
some=
of
> > > > > these Carcano rifles have gone." =EF=BF=BDMacy's and Sears
Roebuck=
, as well
> > > > > as s****ting supply stores, discount stores and
Army-and-Navy-surpl=
us
> > > > > stores sold the weapon and the ammo.
>
> > > > > Some of these guns came from Finland:
>
> > > > > "During the first winter of the war with Russia, Finland
procured =
from
> > > > > Sweden approximately 15,000 Swedish 6.5 mm M 96 Mausers and 6.5
mm=
> > > > > ammunition which Finland decided to manufacture for these
weapons
> > > > > during WW II. Finland received, in addition, a supply of Italian
M=
38,
> > > > > 7.35 mm carbines via Germany during WW II. Both weapons saw
limite=
d
> > > > > service as they were relegated to use by the stationary troops,
su=
ch
> > > > > as guards on bridges, airfields, railways, waterworks, etc.
Today =
,
> > > > > the greater ****tion of the M 38 carbines Finland received can be
> > > > > traced to the U.S. market as surplus war goods."
>
> > > > > ----- =EF=BF=BD FROM- BOOK OF RIFLES
>
> > > > > I have noticed that there is an interest in the Carcano, its
costs=
,
> > > > > and also questions about the ammunition. Do yourselves a favor
and=
see
> > > > > you can still buy this book =EF=BF=BD-THE MARKETING OF A WEAPON.
T=
he book was
> > > > > produced by Gary Nivaggi, in Dec. 1994. In the late 50's and
early=
> > > > > 60's, many varieties, styles and calibers of the MC rifles were
> > > > > offered at low prices. ( I recently sold my copy on eBay.)
>
> > > > > Nivaggi has photo-copied, from he pages of "American Rifleman"
the=
> > > > > marketing of the weapon for the years 1958-1964. Included are
full=
> > > > > sized copies of Klein's S****ting Goods ads . Also, ads from
variou=
s
> > > > > other dealers and distributors, all selling MCs and MC ammo. The
b=
ook
> > > > > contains questions regarding the MC; various ammo loads for it;
it=
s
> > > > > clip, and other great information about the stopping and
"knockdow=
n"
> > > > > capabilities of firearm projectiles. All from the pages of
America=
n
> > > > > Rifleman.
>
> > > > > Many questions being asked will all be answered if you own THE
> > > > > MARKETING OF A WEAPON.
>
> > > > > Another book that will provide valuable information that comes
fro=
m a
> > > > > real expert on the Carcano. Contact Richard Hobbs, 3958
Cambridge =
Rd.
> > > > > # 162, Cameron Park, CA 95682. (Last address I have of Hobbs)
=EF=
=BF=BDSearch
> > > > > bio on Hobbs
>
> > > > > Hobbs is a collector of Carcanos since 1945 and probably knows
mor=
e
> > > > > about the weapon than anyone in this country. His book: THE
CARCAN=
O
> > > > > Italy's Military Rifle.(About $18.00) He is not a JFK "BUFF."-
but=
he
> > > > > sure knows that weapon. =EF=BF=BDIf you own these two books, you
w=
ill hardly
> > > > > ever have a question about the Carcano again.
>
> > > > > Also see: =EF=BF=BDhttp://www.rememuseum.org.uk/
> > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD
=EF=BF=
=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD
=EF=BF=BDhttp://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/armindex.=
htm
> > > > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD
=EF=BF=
=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD
=EF=BF=BDhttp://www.rememuseum.org.uk/arms/rifles/ar=
misrc.htmhttp://www.carbin....
>
> > > > > "The sling is not a standard rifle sling but appears to be a
music=
al
> > > > > instrument strap or a sling from a carrying case or camera bag."
3=
H
> > > > > 397 SA Frazier, FBI.
>
> > > > > The sling on the TSBD rifle was a part of a U.S. Air Force
holster=
and
> > > > > harness set, patented by Norris N. Murray, on March 6, 1956,
paten=
t
> > > > > No. 2,819,830. =EF=BF=BD( see U.S. Military Holsters and Pistol
ca=
rtridge
> > > > > Boxes By Edward Scott Meadows, 1987 , 376.)
>
> > > > This is BS...created by that lyin urine examiner.....Dr
Peeslinger..=
> > > > or whatever his name was.
>
> > > > The sling is not a sling at all...at least not a sling as the US
> > > > military uses it. =EF=BF=BDUS military uses the leather or canvas
st=
raps on
> > > > the rifles for the dual purpose of carrying the rifle and as a way
o=
f
> > > > getting a more secure grip on the rifle for more accurate firing.
>
> > > > The "sling" on a Mannlicher Carcano serves only to carry the
rifle.
> > > > The strap is used to carry the rifle across a soldiers back while
> > > > freeing his hands from the burden. =EF=BF=BDThere are many photos
av=
ailable
> > > > that show Italian soldiers with the rifle slung across their
backs.
> > > > They did not carry the rifle hanging from their shoulder as
American=
> > > > soldiers do. =EF=BF=BDThe Italian method of carrying the rifle
made =
it more
> > > > difficult, and slower, to ready it for firing. =EF=BF=BD The
excepti=
on to the
> > > > usual Italian method of carrying the rifle across the back were
> > > > Mussolini's body guards. =EF=BF=BDMussolini had an elite corps of
bo=
dy guards
> > > > called the "Guardie Del Duce". =EF=BF=BDThey had custom black and
si=
lver
> > > > uniforms, with glossy black helmets, belts, and boots.
> > > > The stocks of their model 91/38 Mannlicher Carcanos were stained
bla=
ck
> > > > and they were equipped with custom slings, of glossy black
leather,
> > > > with a wide leather shoulder pad attached by rings to the sling.
=EF=
=BF=BDThis
> > > > shoulder pad was designed to relieve the fatigue, and pressure, on
t=
he
> > > > guards shoulders when they stood for long hours with the rifle
hangi=
ng
> > > > from their shoulders.
>
> > > > The rifle that was found in the TSBD is a very rare Guardie del
duce=
> > > > rifle that was equiooed with one of those custom slings.
=EF=BF=BDTh=
e colored
> > > > photo of the TSBD rifle that appeared in the November 1983 issue
of
> > > > LIFE magazine shows that the rifle stock is stained black as the
> > > > Guardie Del Duce rifles were, and it has the custom sling
> > > > attached.
>
> > > > > And, the alleged Oswald (TSBD) rifle was not just another
Italian
> > > > > surplus Carcano. The rifle was part of a small lot of rifles
that =
were
> > > > > specially ordered to be the rifles of the Guardie del Duce, an
eli=
te
> > > > > group of one hundred men charged with the job of guarding
Mussolin=
i .
> > > > > The stocks were thinner, lighter and were dyed black. ( R.HOBBS,
T=
he
> > > > > Carcano, Italy's Military Rifle)
>
> > > > > And, it was not the rifle that LHO had delivered in the spring
of
> > > > > 1963. The TSBD weapon was a longer rifle by four inches with
sling=
> > > > > swivels on the side of the rifle. The backyard photo rifle had
the=
> > > > > swivels on the bottom . The problem!! =EF=BF=BDThe rifle
delivered=
from
> > > > > Klein's had the serial number C-2766. So did the TSBD rifle .
That=
> > > > > can't be, unless someone changed the number, which would have
been=
> > > > > very easy to do. This weapon had the serial number on the back
end=
of
> > > > > the barrel, where it screws into the receiver . A simple matter
of=
> > > > > minutes to remove and not much more to remove and replace the
seri=
al
> > > > > number. Which means, if I am right, the rifle in the National
Arch=
ives
> > > > > has a number that it did not have prior to 11-22-63.
>
> > > > > From Martha Moyer, well known to the JFK assassination
community.:=
>
> > > > > "Do you know how easy it is to change a SN on a rifle?
=EF=BF=BDI =
do!!! =EF=BF=BDAbout
> > > > > six months ago I considered having the SN on my MC changed to
read=
> > > > > C2766. The gunsmith told me "no problem - in fact, quite simple"
(=
Oh,
> > > > > by the way, my MC is a 36") If I wanted to frame somebody - I
woul=
d
> > > > > get the serial number of their gun - registered to them - find a
> > > > > duplicate and change to their SN. =EF=BF=BDI would then leave it
a=
t the scene
> > > > > of the crime"
>
> > > > > Martha Moyer
>
> > > > > Numerous people have compared the photos taken by Marina with
phot=
os
> > > > > of the murder weapon and agree that they are not the same
weapon.
>
> > > > > SEE THE SECOND
CARCANOhttp://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/c2766.ht=
mlhttp://www.geocities.co...
>
> > > > > Its a matter of record that there was another MC rifle with the
#2=
766,
> > > > > that found its way from Montreal to Chicago.The Chicago vendor
was=
> > > > > Alden's. This was the only MC with that number. Italy used the
sam=
e
> > > > > numbering system as Germany
>
> > > > > The Italian arms manufacturers used the same consecutive marking
> > > > > system that the Germans used for identification, serial numbers,
> > > > > manufacturing plant, etc.. It began with a three digit serial
numb=
er,
> > > > > progressed through the thousand
>
> > > ...
>
> > > read more =EF=BF=BD- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The 7.35 cartridge was adopted by the Italian Army in 1938.
=EF=BF=BDThe=
re
> > were three Mannlicher Carcano weapons designed to fire the new 7.35 X
> > 53 mm cartridge. They were the 40 inch Model 38 Short Rifle, the 36
> > inch Cavalry Carbine, and the 36 inch Troop special. =EF=BF=BD None of
t=
hem
> > were good sniper rifles ( long range weapons) because of the short
> > barrels and the fixed iron sights. =EF=BF=BDTheir value to the CIA lay
i=
n the
> > fact that they are very easy with simple modifications to make into
> > easily concealable assassination weapons. =EF=BF=BDNaturally the 36
ich =
Cav
> > carbine and the 36 inch troop special were slighly more desirable than
> > the 4 inch longer short rifle. =EF=BF=BDThe Troop special was slightly
m=
ore
> > desirable than the Cav Carbine because the cav carbine had a folding
> > bayonet attached to the front sight.
>
> > Morrow claimed that he modified three 40 inch Model 38's to be used as
> > assassination weapons in Cuba.
>
> > The shortest length a 40" Model 38 can be reduced to is 26 1/2 inches
> > While the 36" Troop Special can be reduced to 23 1/4 inches. =EF=BF=BD
T=
hat 3
> > 1/4 inch diference makes the Troop Special a little more concealable
> > than the Short Rifle, and therefore a better choice to be modified to
> > an assassination weapon.
>
> > I know Morrow's story, .........but I have no idea why he was ordered
> > to buy MC's that were designed to fire the =EF=BF=BD7.35 X 53
cartridge.=
=EF=BF=BDThe
> > 7.35 weapons were not nearly as plentyful as the same rifles in
> > 6.5mm. =EF=BF=BDI've long thought that there was a foul up in Dallas,
an=
d
> > someone thought that a modified 36 inch MC was going to be planted in
> > the TSBD. =EF=BF=BDThat's where all of this crap about Oswald
disassembl=
ing
> > the rifle had it's roots. =EF=BF=BDIf a modified =EF=BF=BD36 inch
Carcan=
o had been
> > planted in the TSBD, then the cops could made everything fit in the
> > framing of Oswald. What I'm saying is;.... A modified 36 inch carbine
> > could have been quickly and easily disassembled to a length of 23 1/4
> > inches by removing only two screws. =EF=BF=BDThat length would have
fit =
in the
> > paper sack that Buell Frazier saw on the back seat of his car.
=EF=BF=BD=
=EF=BF=BDThe
> > foul up is probably also responsible for the arguments that Oswald
> > ordered a 36 inch carbine. =EF=BF=BD Someone thought that Oswald had
bou=
ght a
> > 36 inch carbine and had modified it as an assassination rifle....and
> > that's the data the conspirators were working with when they said they
> > had found the sack that Oswald used to smuggle the gun into the
> > building....Imagine the panic when they discovered that the sack they
> > had was about over a =EF=BF=BDfoot too short to contain the 36 MC
> > (disassembled) TSBD rifle.
>
> The Paper Sack
> The largest component of the disassembled rifle is the stock, which
> measures approximately 36 inches. There is no way that it could fit in
> the package that Randle described. Warren Commission lawyer Joseph
> Ball asked Randle about the length of the package, and asked her to
> fold it to the proper size:
>
> http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/papersac.htm
>
> More on the Paper Sack:
>
> The Warren Commission believed and concluded that Oswald 1) =C2=A0Took
> paper and tape from the wrapping bench of the Depository and fa****oned
> a bag large enough to carry the disassembled rifle; 2) Removed the
> rifle from the blanket in the Paine's garage on Thursday evening and
> carried the weapon into the Depository building on Friday morning
> concealed in the bag; and 4) Left the bag alongside the window from
> which the shots were fired.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The Commission also concluded that the bag
containing =
the rifle
> was seen by Wesley Frazier, who worked with Lee Oswald, who also lived
> in Irving and drove Oswald to work on the morning of the
> assassination. Frazier later testified that Lee told him that the bag
> contained curtain rods to be used in his rented room in Dallas
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When the bag was found next to the window, it was
exam=
ined and
> dusted for prints, as was the rifle when it was found.. No prints were
> found. =C2=A0Later, "Using a standard chemical method involving silver
> nitrates the FBI Laboratory developed a latent palm print and latent
> fingerprint on the bag." (WR,p. 135) =C2=A0S.F. Latona, of the FBI
Latent
> Fingerprint Section, identified the print as the right palm print of
> Lee Oswald. The FBI concluded that "No other identifiable prints were
> found on the bag" despite the fact that the bag had been handled by
> numerous people. The bag was found by Marvin Johnson, a Homicide and
> Robbery Bureau detective with the Dallas Police and his partner L.D
> Montgomery. From Johnson's testimony:
Raymond ....I'd like to suggest that you slow down and take this one
step at a time....
You can assume that most folks on this group know the stories and
legends about the various pieces of evidence, therefore you don't need
to post all of the crap about each piece of evidence.
You posted a whole bunch of erroneous information in this post and
I'll not attempt to rebut all of it. But just the opening sentence in
the paragraph above is not true.... Which negates the whole paragraph.
You wrote: "When the bag was found next to the window, it was examined
and dusted for prints" There's at least two different stories about
the discovery of the paper bag. One says it was discovered by Marvin
Johnson and LD Montgomery (but they could remember much about it when
they testified before the WC) and another says that Lt.JC Day found it
and asked Tuly if he'd ever seen it before, and when Truly answered
"NO, Day folded it up and put it in his pocket.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"We found this brown paper sack or case. It was made
o=
f heavy
> wrapping paper. Actually, it looked similar to the paper that those
> books was wrapped in. It was just a long narrow paper bag...I know
> that the first I saw of it, L.D. Montgomery, my partner, picked it up
> off the floor, and it was folded up and he unfolded it... It was
> folded then he unfolded it... It was folded then refolded, It was a
> fairly small package." (Vol. VII, P. 103).
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Detective Johnson gave the bag to Lt.J.C.Day who
exami=
ned it and
> turned it over to Detective Hicks and Studebaker, who took it to
> headquarters along with other equipment, (Vol.IV, pp267, 268; CE626).
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Lt.Day noticed that there was a similar paper and
tape=
of the
> same width as that used to make the homemade bag somewhere else in the
> Book Depository.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From Day's testimony:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr.Day. " On the first floor of the Texas Book
Deposi=
tory, and I
> noticed from the wrapping bench there was paper and tape of a similar-
> the tape was of the same width as the bag... I directed one of the
> officers standing by me, I don't know which, to get a piece of the
> paper from the wrapping bench." (Vol. IV,p.268)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Lt. Day did not take any pictures of the wrapping
ben=
ch on the
> day of the assassination, but returned to the building on April 13,
> 1964 and took three pictures of the area (CE 730, 731, 732) and told
> Commission Counsel Belin, "I don't think the benches had been changed
> since the November shooting." (Vol.IV, p268)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Mr. Belin: Do you recognize at any point on any of
th=
e exhibits
> the actual tape machine that was used?
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr. Day: The one that we removed this from was the
no=
rth roll
> and the tape on the east side of the bench.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr. Belin: You are now pointing at Exhibit 730. I
not=
ice a roll
> of paper underneath the bench in the center of the picture. Is that
> where you got the big paper, the main paper on Commission Exhibit
> 677?
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr. Day: Yes , Sir. To the best of my knowledge
that =
is the roll
> we tore the paper off of." (Vol.IV,p.268)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The Depository normally used approximately one roll
o=
f paper
> every 3 working days. (Not all from the same roll-average total
> usage). Of course, Lt. Day did not mean that his sample came from the
> same roll of paper yhat he photographed =C2=A05 months after the
shooting,=
> and CE 730,731 and 732 clearly show that there were many working areas
> with many rolls of wrapping paper and at least 3 visible ****table tape
> machines. Despite the variety of paper and tape machines available for
> sampling, on November 22,Lt. Day was still able to select the exact
> roll of paper and the precise tape machine that Oswald allegedly used
> for material to fa****on his alleged rifle case. How fortunate it would
> be to have a person like Lt.Day as a companion at the racetrack, on a
> bad day, to help in making race selections.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr.Belin wondered about the tape machines:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr. Belin: =C2=A0Were there other tape machines
there=
also?
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr. Day: Yes, but I didn't notice them at the
time."
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (Vol.IV,p.268).
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 So much has been discussed and written about the
trea=
tment of
> the bag by the Dallas Police Department and the FBI, after the bag was
> found, that I will not belabor that aspect of the topic. It will be my
> purpose to suggest that there was no need for Lee Oswald to snitch
> paper or tape from the Book Depository since the rifle within the
> blanket, in the Paine's garage was already wrapped in paper.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0There is strong evidence that the rifle found on the
s=
ixth floor
> and used to kill President Kennedy was not Oswald's rifle. The sixth
> floor murder weapon may have been brought into the building in a bag
> made from materials from the ****pping room, but Oswald did not make
> the bag or carry a rifle into the building in a bag made from
> Depository wrapping paper. A bag for Lee's rifle was unnecessary - he
> did not have to make a bag. =C2=A0Lee's Mannlicher-Carcano had been
wrappe=
d
> in paper and placed in a "rustic" blanket in late September in New
> Orleans, and trans****ted by Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald to Texas and
> the floor of the Paine's garage where it was observed and maintained
> by the Paines until it was removed from the blanket sometime before
> the morning of November 22, 1963.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Friday, September 20, 1963, Ruth Paine arrived in
N=
ew Orleans
> on her way back to Dallas after a vacation in the east and mid-west.
> Ruth planned on returning Marina to Dallas with her while Lee looked
> for work in Houston. Ruth and her two children stayed the weekend with
> the Oswalds and planned to leave for Texas on Monday, September 23.
> Lee had packed all of their belongings and, on Monday, loaded Ruth's
> station wagon for the trip.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In Priscilla Johnson McMillans book Marina and Lee
(Ne=
w
> York:Harper&Row, 1977), the author describes the loading of the
> station wagon as told to her by Marina Oswald:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"What she (Ruth) did not know was that among the
items=
he was
> loading with such care in her car was almost certainly his
> rifle,wrapped in brown paper and a blanket and tied up in
> heavystring..." (p.370)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 And more:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"...When she was certain Ruth could not see her she
cr=
ept into
> the garage, to the place where Lee kept the rifle wrapped in paper
> inside the heavy blanket, a green and brown wool blanket of East
> German make that she had bought in Russia." ( p. 429)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In Marina's conversation with the Warren Commission,
s=
he
> testified that, while looking for crib parts, she opened the blanket
> only to see the butt end of Lee's rifle. =C2=A0She was not asked if the
> rifle was wrapped in paper. However, she was asked by General Counsel
> Rankin if she ever saw the rifle in a paper cover. Marina
> answered "No." (Vol.1,p.67) =C2=A0Today, with a better understanding of
> English, a "paper cover" might elicit a different answer.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mike Paine, who had moved the blanket in the garage
mo=
re than
> once, was asked by the Commission if he had the impression that there
> may have been any paper inside the blanket. His answer:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0No, I didn't have that impression nothing crinkled,
no=
sound.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mr. Liebeler: Was there any indication by the
crinklin=
g or
> otherwise that there might be paper wrapped inside the blanket?
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mr. Paine: That's right.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Paine's vague answer, "That is right," did not
satisfy=
Liebeler
> who returned to the blanket and how it was wrapped. Confused, Paine
> said, "I can't remember how it was wrapped at this end because I could
> grab my hand around the PAPER whereas this end, I think it was folded
> over." (Vol. IX, p.439)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0When Ruth Paine testified before the Commission in
Was=
hington,
> she claimed to have wrapping paper at her home in Irving that was
> similar to the paper used to make the homemade bag found in the Book
> Depository.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Later, when members of the Commission staff went to
th=
e Paine
> home to examine the paper, Mr.Jenner took a sample of the paper
> provided to him by Mrs. Paine. He took a sample 3 feet 1 inch in
> length and marked it as Ruth Paine Exhibit 272. This exhibit appears
> in Vol.XXI, p. 3. In the contents of Volume XXI, this exhibit is
> titled: Sample of wrapping paper kept by Ruth Paine in her home.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In reality, this evidence and its claims are
misleadin=
g and
> irrelevant. It has no connection with the assassination since this
> roll was purchased after the event. This, however, did not stop
> Assistant Counsel Albert Jenner from using the sample to mislead
> researchers.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0At the time of jenner's visit to the Paine home,
Mrs. =
Paine was
> asked where she kept wrapping paper. She went to the kitchen-dining
> room area and took a tube of wrapping paper from the bottom drawer of
> a secretary desk and gave it to Mr.Jenner
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "And is that the remains of the tube of wrapping
pape=
r that you
> had in your home on November 22, 1963?"
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mrs. Paine: No, this is a new one, similar to the
old=
one.
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr. Jenner: Did you purchase it at the same place
tha=
t you
> purchased the previous wrapping paper?"
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mrs. Paine: I purchased the rolls at SOME dime
store.=
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 At this point, Jenner should have realized that the
s=
ample was
> meaningless as evidence and abandoned the effort, but he went on with
> the charade. He had his assistant, Agent Howlett, measure the width of
> the paper ( two feet 6 inches ) then cut 3 feet 1 inch from the roll.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mr. Jenner: We will mark the sheet of
wrapping =
paper... as Ruth
> Paine Exhibit No. 272. Would you mark that, please Miss Re****ter?
> (Vol. IX, p.411)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The average investigator probably would have
mo=
ved on when he
> realized that he was examining a roll of paper that could not have
> been used to make a rifle case, =C2=A0but Jenner was determined not to
> waste the visit to the Paine home in Irving. =C2=A0And, for the rest of
th=
e
> evening, Jenner, along with his team of assistants, with their tape
> measures in hand, measured everything in sight.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From the testimony:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mr. Jenner: That your home is well set back,
w=
e'll measure it
> in a moment, from the street, and it is a generous lawn with some
> bushes, that bushes are not as solid as a screen but they are up close
> to your home. The lawn area is entirely open except for the oak tree
> which I have therefore described as being a generous shade tree about
> 2 feet in diameter. We will measure the cir***ference in a moment.
> John Joe, could we measure the distance from the south wall of the
> house to the sidewalk?
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 At this point, Agent Howlett =C2=A0saved
some =
time by announcing:
> "There is no sidewalk. There is a curb."
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 After a measurement from the house to the
curb=
(42 feet) they
> measured the canopy over the ****ch entrance, length and width (11 feet
> in depth and 7 feet three inches from east to west. (Vol.IX, p.413)
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Anyone watching this comedy would have taken
J=
enner for a real
> estate salesman preparing a brochure for a home sale. With members of
> the Warren Commission indulging in such ridiculous conduct, is it any
> wonder why there has never been any real enthusiasm for accepting the
> findings of the Warren re****t?
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