On Mar 4, 8:14=EF=BF=BDpm, jas <lle...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Is it im****tant how Ruby entered the police building to shoot Oswald?
>
> Maybe not. On the other hand, why would Jack say he went down the ramp?
If=
> he entered the building from some other entrance, he could have admitted
> it. The result was the same-he was able to accomplish his objective.
> However, if he was in touch with someone from the police department, who
> was providing him with information about the transfer and aided him in
> getting into the basement, then there was a reason to lie. Ruby, a long
> time friend of many members of the department, would not want to reveal
> the truth about their assistance."
>
> Even being a Warrenista, I agree that your scenario is plausible. Since
no=
> one can absolutely verify seeing Ruby entering via the ramp, and we have
> basically only his word on it, it leaves an obvious gap in the time-line
> of that morning.
>
> However, this is where all the other factors in the case become so
> im****tant -- Ruby's extreme depression over the assassination, his
> personality of being a wannabe, the testimony of long-time friends and
> relatives of the state of his questionable mental health, and his
> propensity of being a violent person. I also believe that the time- line
> of his movements that morning is just too close for comfort, and doesn't
> indicate his premeditation or involvement in a plot.
>
> Just the sheer fact that his receipt at the Western Union office was
> stamped 11:17 AM, and the time of the shooting was 11:21, some 4-5
minutes=
> later, tells me that he walked out of the Western Union office and
> hi-tailed it over to the ramp, and simply didn't have the time to go
> through an alternative entrance. Apparently seeing the crowd at the
police=
> building, he knew something big was going to happen, and simply went to
> check it out, being the person he was. Then, when he saw Oswald, saw the
> op****tunity, made a spur of the moment decision and pulled his revolver
> (something he carried with him all the time), and shot. This "cutting it
> close" tiny sliver of 4-5 minutes between his wiring the money at
Western
> Union and the actual shooting indicates to me he wasn't shooting as the
> result of a plot. What professional killer would be so careless?
>
> In the confusion of that morning in the basement, he simply slipped
> unnoticed down the ramp. Yes, in the real world, we all want to say that
> this fact seems awfully remote, but sometimes in life coincidences
happen,=
> as we all are aware of. I feel that these coincidences, on their face,
and=
> without considering all the other evidence in the case, (like the
> motorcade moving underneath where Oswald worked), has what has given
this
> case legs and has fueled the conspiracy movement for so many years.
>
> Of course, there's room here for speculation with Ruby and the ramp
issue,=
> but common sense, with all the evidence of what we know, tells me that's
> how it went down. Unfortunately we don't have that one witness who could
> have seen Ruby positively and without question enter the ramp.
REVIEW
The reason that Ruby would want to lie is because he would implicate
the policeman or policemen that opened the door in the alley, which
was allegedly locked and Jack would not do that. I SUSPECT that it was
"Blackie" Harrrison who went down to the subbasement to Allegedly buy
cigars.
Ruby and the Ramp
The Warren Commission claims that Ruby entered the basement of the
Dallas Police Station via the Main Street ramp. He did not. He entered
the building through a side door that is not less than fifty feet from
the door of the Western Union building It is still there.
Why would Jack say that he entered the basement of the jail via the
ramp if he entered the building by another entrance? What difference
would it make? Everyone knows that he was in the basement and shot
Oswald.
There is no genuine evidence, other than Jack's own story, that he
entered via the ramp. If there is, I sure would like to see it. Even
the Warren Wizards doubted the tall tale. After claiming that Ruby
entered the basement by way of the ramp, the Re****t adds:
Although the sum of the available evidence tends to sup****t Ruby's
claim that he entered the Main Street ramp, there is other evidence
not consistent with Ruby's story. If Ruby entered by any other means,
he would have had to pass through the Police and Courts Building, and
then secondly through one of the five doors into the basement, all of
which, according to the testimony of police officers were secured .
The testimony was not completely positive about one of the doors.
(Re****t, pp. 221-222)
Both the police and the Commission were concerned about the one door.
But they were careful not to investigate the issue to a positive
conclusion because it would almost surely implicate one or more
members of the Dallas police force.
The door in question was near the passenger elevator that opens into
the Municipal Building.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0435=
a.htm
"Despite the thoroughness with which the search was conducted, there
still existed one and perhaps two weak points in controlling access to
the garage. Testimony did not resolve positively whether or not the
stairway door near the public elevators was locked both from the
inside and outside as was necessary to secure it effectively. "
(Re****t. p. 212)
In his book Conspiracy, Anthony Summers deals with this particular
door:
"In 1979, the Assassination Committee rejected the old story that
Ruby got in down the ramp from the street. Following its own research
on the spot, it plumped instead for a brand - new hypothesis. The
Committee found that Ruby could have got into the basement by slipping
down an alleyway at the side of the police station. In the middle of
the alley is a door opening onto the ground floor of the building
which houses the police station, and from there Ruby could have
reached the basement. It was a far less conspicuous means of entry
than the ramp route and therefore a better choice for a premeditated
approach. The Committee had to consider whether, if he indeed took
this route. Ruby would have been stopped by a locked internal door
leading to the basement. On this point, it once again encountered the
ubiquitous voice of Sergeant (Patrick) Dean. It turned out that he had
vacillated in his statements as to whether the door could be opened
from the outside. On one occasion he had not answered the question and
then said he had been assured by the maintenance man that the door was
secure from both sides. Two maintenance men and a ****ter said the
opposite. They asserted it could be opened without using a key, from
the direction Ruby would have entered." ( p. 469, 1991 edition)
The Warren Re****t provides us with a diagram of the basement of the
Dallas Police Building (CE 2179), which shows the three elevators
opening into the garage, and the steps, by the elevators that Ruby
would have used to gain entrance to the basement. They do not however
provide a floor plan of the main floor that would show the alleyway
door that Jack surely used to enter the building.
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0435=
a.htm
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any information as to how Jack got into the
basement of the police department?
Mrs. POWELL.(One of Ruby's dancers) No; but he could get in anywhere.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any information that anybody helped him?
Mrs. POWELL. No; I don't think anybody helped him. You just have to
know him. He is probably a lot different now than he was, but if you
had known him the way I knew him, and a lot of people knew him, he
would do anything.
http://www.cannet.com/~reesedw/DealyPage8.html
The truth about the door can be seen by anyone who visits the corner
of Pearl and Main streets, in Dallas. Standing in front of the former
Western Union Office Building, the door to the Municipal Building can
be seen . It is less than a child's stone throw away from the door to
the Western Union. Additionally, there are over 20 windows on the side
of the Municipal Building that could have been used to signal Jack
that the transfer was in progress.
I wrote an article in PROBE. March-April, 1999 titled Ruby and the
Ramp. I included pictures of the scene showing the door to the side of
the police building and the front of the Western Union Office. Perhaps
Probe could provide a copy of the article.
=46rom the Chairman's Desk at PROBE Magazine:
"Raymond Galllagher explores the mystery of how Jack Ruby made it so
easily and conveniently into the basement of the Dallas jail with such
exquisite timing. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words."
A book, No More Silence, written by Larry A . Sneed, provides more
information on the subject. I will leave that to interested people to
read , but it is convincing evidence that Ruby entered by way of the
door I described.
The Sneed witnesses include police officers, deputy sheriffs, and
government officials.
Before anyone begins to write negative posts about the contents of
this effort, make sure that you have exhausted your own research. Few
still believe that Jack entered via the ramp.
ONE MORE TIME
Hopefully, I will use witness testimony to sup****t the proposition
that Jack Ruby did not enter the basement of the police building by
way of the Main Street ramp. At least three of the police officers
told Larry Sneed, author of No More Silence, that Ruby undoubtedly
entered the basement via the alleyway doors that ran north and south
alongside the Western Union office.
Officer Roy Vaughn, who was assigned to guard the top of the Main
Street ramp told Sneed: "There was a stairway that went from the first
floor down to the basement out of the Municipal Building." Vaughn
said , " Very easily somebody could have gone to the back door, which
is still there today, opened the door, let somebody in, walked
straight and come right into the basement. It wouldn't have been a
problem."
The officer explained that, in 1963, there were two possibilities to
enter the basement. There was a business college and a cafe NEXT to
the Western Union. They have since been torn down, ...
Is it im****tant how Ruby entered the police building to shoot Oswald?
Maybe not. On the other hand, why would Jack say he went down the
ramp? If he entered the building from some other entrance, he could
have admitted it. The result was the same-he was able to accomplish
his objective. However, if he was in touch with someone from the
police department, who was providing him with information about the
transfer and aided him in getting into the basement, then there was a
reason to lie. Ruby, a long time friend of many members of the
department, would not want to reveal the truth about their
assistance.
"The rulers of the state are the only ones that should have the
privilege of lying, either at home or abroad; they may be allowed to
lie for the good of the state."
---- Plato: The Republic
Jack Ruby was interviewed in the Dallas County Jail on Dec. 21, 1963
by FBI SA Hall and Clements regarding his Sunday morning trip to the
Western Union office, and his alleged ramp entrance to the basement of
the Police Department building. Jack furnished the following
information:
After sending the telegram, he left the Western Union office and
walked west on the same side of the street, toward the City Hall
located on the next corner. Before he reached the Police Department
building, he noticed a police officer standing at the entrance to the
ramp going into the basement from Main Street, but he did not know the
police officer. Just before he reached that point, a police car came
out of the basement, and he recognized the driver of the police car as
Lieut. PIERCE. He explained he had known Lieut. PIERCE for twelve
years.
PIERCE did not look toward him or speak to him and Ruby did not speak
to Lieut. PIERCE. Ruby could not recall seeing anyone in the police
car with Lieut. PIERCE in either the front or back seat of the police
car.
As the police car driven by Lieut. PIERCE came out of the basement
ramp, the officer on duty at the entrance stepped back and walked
toward the curb next to the street, with his back toward RUBY. As the
police car got even with this officer, the officer stooped down and
looked inside the car. At about this time, RUBY had reached the
entrance to the Main Street ramp, and he took in the movement of the
police car and the officer on duty at the ramp, with a quick glance.
Without breaking his stride or hesitating, RUBY turned to his left and
walked down the ramp into the basement. As he entered the ramp, he
does not recall seeing any person standing around the entrance, and he
does not know a former officer named DANIELS.
(HAll (C.Ray) Exhibit No. 3, p.11)
At 6:00 pm on the 20th. of November, Jack visited his Trichologist for
a baldness treatment which took about 30 minutes. (22 H. 913 and CE
1494) He should have made an appointment with his optometrist as well-
he was not only losing his hair; he was apparently having a problem
with his vision as well. On Sunday, as Jack approached Lieut. PIERCE'S
car at the top of the ramp, he was able to see Pierce who was driving
the car, but he did not see Sgt. Putnam who was in the front seat of
the patrol car (on Jack's side) or Sgt. Billy Joe Maxey in the back
seat. Neither did he see any person standing around the entrance to
the ramp. So Ruby failed to see two men in the car with PIERCE and a
former police officer , N.J. Daniels, who was standing at the top of
the ramp with the single patrolman guarding the entrance , R.E.
Vaughn.
"Vaughn denied that the emergence of Lieut. Pierce's car from the
building distracted him long enough to allow Ruby to enter the ramp
unnoticed, and neither he nor any of the three officers in Lt.
Pierce's car saw Ruby enter."
(WR 221)
HE WHO HATH NOT A GOOD AND READY MEMORY SHOULD NEVER MEDDLE WITH
TELLING LIES.
--Montaigne: ESSAYS
NO ONE SAW JACK MOVING DOWN THE RAMP. ?
Some conspirators have alleged that the Dallas police allowed Ruby to
enter the Dallas police basement through an unlocked door instead of
entering by a ramp. However, they ignore an im****tant (???? ) witness
who actually saw Ruby descend the ramp. The witness was an EX -Dallas
police officer named Napoleon Daniels. Daniels, a college educated
token African-American had been a member of the segregated Dallas
police force who had left prior to the assassination. Daniels had
allegedly observed Ruby descend the ramp when the police officer
guarding the entrance, Roy Vaughn, was distracted by a car trying to
maneuvers into the basement entrance. Vaughn allegedly had to walk
into the middle of the street to divert the car. Daniels THOUGHT the
man entering the basement was a police detective and did not tell
Vaughn. He did, however, notice a bulge at the person's waist that he
believed to be a holstered handgun. The Dallas police tried to
discredit Daniel's testimony possibly because he was black but also
because his testimony revealed the incompetence of the Dallas Police
Department.
Another authoritative source has gone on record as late as March 1997
which confirms that Ruby, in the confusion that surrounded the police
station that Sunday morning, did not have any assistance in entering
the basement. Paul McCaghren, a retired police lieutenant who WAS NOT
PRESENT at the time but later investigated the shooting of Oswald,
said that Ruby's access to the basement was JUST LUCKY timing on his
part. He said that in hindsight things should have been done
differently but it was a situation that had never occurred before.
According to the re****t filed by the Dallas Police Department
investigating Oswald's shooting, an armored truck was to be used to
trans****t Oswald to the county jail from the city jail. According to
the re****t, police decided that, ''an unmarked police car would be
better from the standpoint of both speed and deception...Such a car,
bearing Oswald, should follow the armored truck.'' But the police
lieutenant driving the squad car was forced to go the wrong way on a
ramp at police headquarters to pull in front of the armored car
because the exit was blocked. Another police officer, guarding the
area, the re****t said, was surprised when the lieutenant pulled in and
blasted his car horn to hold the pedestrian traffic. McCaghren said
this is when Ruby slipped into the basement, went immediately down the
ramp and shot Oswald.
Jim Ewell, a former re****ter with the Dallas Morning News, maintains
that the idea that the Dallas Police Department had a hand in
assisting Ruby is not true and that Dallas Police Department officials
would have done things differently in the transfer of Oswald but top
city officials OVER-RULED them. He believes the police would have made
the media stand in the street had they been given their way. The city
officials wanted to make sure the world knew that Oswald was not being
mistreated. Furthermore, during the transfer of Oswald, many officers
were BLINDED by the high intensity television lights which accounted
for the fact that Ruby was able to move among them WITHOUT being
challenged.
Did "Blackie" Hanson speak to you just before you shot Oswald? ...
Where was Blackie during the hour before the transfer?
Mr. HARRISON. About, I would say, 3 or 4 or 5 minutes to 11. I WENT
DOWN to the subbasement to get me some cigars, and as I come back up
out of the subbasement, well, then the officers out of our bureau were
going across from the elevator to the--to there in front of the jail
office.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there are two basements, as I understand it, in the
Police and Courts Building. One is the basement level that the garage
is on and the jail office and the records room?
Mr. HARRISON. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. And then there is a subbasement?
Mr. HARRISON. Locker room.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Locker room down below that. Now, how did you get down
from the third floor into the subbasement? Does the elevator go all of
the way down?
Mr. HARRISON. No, no; it stops at the floor where the jail office is.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. When you get out of the jail office, where do
you have to go?
Mr. HARRISON. Well, actually to the south end.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You walk down to the hallway and then you open a door?
Mr. HARRISON. No; you go down a stairway.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Go down a stairway?
Mr. HARRISON. Into the subbasement.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there is, is there not, a doorway, as you walk from
Commerce Street down the steps to go to the door that entered into the
building and through the hallway that you had walked down? Do you
follow me?
Mr. HARRISON. No, no; I don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Let's suppose that you walked from the record room to the
subbasement by way of the hallway that leads out towards Commerce
Street.
Mr. HARRISON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, that hallway has a door that goes out of the
building, does it not?
Mr. HARRISON. Right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And when you open that door and go out of the building,
there are two other doors, right?
Mr. HARRISON. No, no.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, isn't there a door on your--on your left as you
face Commerce Street, isn't there a door on your left that goes into
the engine room?
Mr. HARRISON. Actually, I have never--I believe there is a door there.
It is underneath where the stairway goes up.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, there is a door straight ahead where the stairway
goes up? In other words, as you walk out of the door from the building
to leave the building and you step out of there, there is another door
right in front of you right under this stairs----
Mr. HARRISON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Isn't there?
Mr. HARRISON. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, that door leads down to the subbasement, doesn't
it?
Mr. HARRISON. Well, I have never been down that way. I don't know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. From the assembly room, in the assembly room,
where is this cigar dispensing machine?
Mr. HARRISON. They are not in the assembly room.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Not in the assembly room, in the locker room.
Mr. HARRISON. In the locker room.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where is it located?
Mr. HARRISON. I don't know how to describe it to you. The machine is
about, I guess, 18 foot from the door--from the stairway.
Mr. GRIFFIN. At the far south end?
Mr. HARRISON. No; it is kind of west of the stairway.
Mr. GRIFFIN. West of the stairway, but it is on the south side of the
room, it is on the side closest to Commerce Street?
Mr. HARRISON. No; that is where all of the locker rooms are, lockers
are.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. HARRISON. Now, there is a door that separates the locker room from
the area where the cold drinks and where the----
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right.
Mr. HARRISON. Where the cold drinks and the cigar machine and the
cigarette machines are, there is a door that separates that.
Testimony of Jack's friend "Blackie" Harrison
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/harrison.htm
Mr. HUBERT. You were at one time connected with the police department,
were you not?
Mr. DANIELS. Yes; about 7 years.
Mr. HUBERT. About 7 years?
Mr. DANIELS. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you leave the police department?
Mr. DANIELS. I left there in November 1962.
Mr. HUBERT. What were the circumstances under which you left?
Mr. DANIELS. Let me see just how I can put this--well, I resigned, of
course, I was asked to resign because of some conflicts I had with a
tenant living in one of my apartments.
Mr. HUBERT. That is to say, you rented out some property to a tenant
and you had some difficulty with the tenant?
Mr. DANIELS. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And on account of that difficulty they asked you to resign
from the police department?
Mr. DANIELS. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You did resign?
Mr., DANIELS. Yes.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/daniel_n.htm
Mr. HUBERT. Nor did you see anybody go down the ramp?
Mr. DANIELS. No. .......
Mr. DANIELS. Let's see, there is something else that I have been
thoroughly confused on--I have never been able to picture in my mind
just how it happened--the guy that I saw go into the basement--I'm
not
sure it was before or after the car came out. I'm not sure I have run
that in my mind a thousand times, but I just can't place one before
the other.
Mr. HUBERT. Well, in any case, you saw a man go down in the basement?
Mr. DANIELS. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Vaughn look at him?
Mr. DANIELS. I think he did.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Vaughn try to stop him?
Mr. DANIELS. No.
Mr. HUBERT. He went right on through?
Mr. DANIELS. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know how long that was before the shot was fired?
Mr. DANIELS. 3 or 4 minutes, I guess.
Note: That would mean that Ruby took 1 or 2 minutes to reach the
bottom of the ramp after leaving the Western Union. Highly unlikely.
Was it possible that the confused Daniels saw someone else go down the
ramp 3 or 4 minutes before the shooting of LHO?
Mr. HUBERT. But what you say is confusing you is as to whether or not
that was after the Rio Pierce car came out?
Mr. DANIELS. I'm not sure--I can't place one before the other--if I
had to guess at it, I would say it was before.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you think now that you saw the man go down
past Vaughn before the Rio Pierce car came?
Mr. DANIELS. Right.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that correct?
Mr. DANIELS. That's what I'm thinking.
Mr. HUBERT. That's your BEST recollection today?
Mr. DANIELS. Yes.
Daniels Ex 5324 - Diagram of the basement of the Police and Courts
Building, as marked by Napoleon J. Daniels.
Daniels Ex 5325 - Copy of sworn affidavit of Napoleon J. Daniels,
dated November 29, 1963.
Daniels Ex 5326 - Copy of an FBI re****t of an interview with Napoleon
J. Daniels, dated December 4, 1963.
Daniels Ex 5327 - Copy of an FBI re****t of an interview with Napoleon
J. Daniels, dated December 19, 1963.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/contents.htm
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