On Mar 7, 7:51=C2=A0pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Mar 7, 1:46=C2=A0am, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > Raymond wrote:
> > > On Mar 4, 8:10 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >> Raymond wrote:
> > >>> On Mar 3, 9:55 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> > >>>> Raymond wrote:
> > >>>>> On Mar 2, 11:12=EF=BF=BDpm, loan.g...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > >>>>>> So the Dallas police were so corrupt, they would willingly
partic=
ipate in
> > >>>>>> the murder of their country's president but not corrupt enough
th=
at in the
> > >>>>>> past 45 years not one of them could be paid to spill the beans?
> > >>>>> To my knowledge no one ever offered to pay a policeman to "SPILL
T=
HE
> > >>>>> BEANS " with the exception of officer RC Nelson, who wanted to
tel=
l
> > >>>>> his story for PAYMENT.
> > >>>> What about the movie deal for Wade?
> > >>>> What about Curry's book? Profiting from a tragedy.
> > >>> =C2=A0You are correct Tony. Many people made money on the the
traged=
y (and are
> > >>> still making money) =C2=A0including authors with their books,
Groden=
with his
> > >>> photography and movie makers like Oliver Stone. And we should not
fo=
rget
>
> > > =C2=A0 Marsh wrote:
>
> > > =C2=A0You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob
personal=
ly and he
> > > did not make a LOT of money.
>
> > > =C2=A0 I said, " Many people made money. "
>
> > You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to make
a=
> > lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!
>
> JFK assassination's final authority on the facts and factoids of the
> Dallas coup:
>
> Marsh wrote:
>
> =C2=A0 "You have no idea what you are talking about. I know Bob
> (Groden)personally and he did not make a LOT of money."
>
> [ But he sure as Hell tried to and didn't care how.]
>
> "You specified Groden. Of course a Hollywood filmmaker is going to
> make a
> =C2=A0lot of money even if all he does is pick his nose. Duh!"
>
> Author Robert Groden, a Dealey Plaza regular for the past 12 years,
> hawked his 11 books and glossy magazines about the assassination from
> a table set up between the grassy knoll and Elm Street, where Kennedy
> and Gov. John Connally were shot.
>
> "Dallas hoped it had put all this behind it in the 1980s," said Jeff
> West, executive director of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
> "We had America's Team, and a wonderfully trashy TV show about us." In
> short, Dallas hoped the rest of the country would obsess about who
> shot JR, rather than who shot JFK.
>
> Not much chance of that. In Dealey Plaza, someone for years has been
> painting a big X in the center lane on Elm Street as it slopes down
> toward the Triple Underpass: It pur****ts to mark the exact spot where
> Kennedy was struck by the fatal bullet. This is just about the only
> fact in the case with which the majority of conspiracy buffs and lone-
> gunman advocates agree. And it's slightly wrong.
>
> The X is, according to the Dallas Morning News, the work of 57-year-
> old Robert Groden, one of several men who regularly HAWK conspiracy
> pamphlets in Dealey Plaza. The problem is that the lanes have been re-
> striped since 1963, and the X is actually about 6 inches too far to
> the west.
>
> "If it is off," Groden conceded, "it's not off by much."
>
> ( Groden is off the charts of morality)
>
> Authors opinion......Zapruder re****ted that he sold his film to Time-
> Life on Saturday 23 November ....Enter Robert Groden. who made a copy
> and made a career of it.=E2=80=9D
>
> Nearly every day of the year, Groden and other conspiracy buffs man
> card tables around the plaza, pointing out suspicious (and bogus)
> bullet marks in the pavement and expounding on theories ranging from
> plausible to laughable. A few appear to be true believers; many are
> merely pitchmen for $5 brochures. When I pointed out to one hawker, 35-
> year-old Jimmy Longoria, that he hadn't even been born when Kennedy
> was shot, he drawled, "I wasn't around when Jesus was alive, either.
> But I still go to church."
>
> http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061123_eclectic_crowd_m...
>
> Robert J. Groden : Friend of JFK final authority on Dallas Ambush,
> Tony Marsh:
>
> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>
> Robert J. Groden (born November 22, 1945) is an American author and
> photographer, and a SELF-proclaimed and widely acknowledged expert on
> the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy. His books
> include JFK: The Case for Conspiracy, The Killing of a President: The
> Complete Photographic Record of the JFK Assassination, and The Search
> for Lee Harvey Oswald: A Comprehensive Photographic Record. He served
> as a photographic consultant to the Congressional investigation that
> concluded the assassination was "probably" a conspiracy.
>
> Groden attended Forest Hills High School in Queens, New York but left
> in the 11th grade . He joined the Army in 1964 and first became
> interested in the JFK assassination (1963) that same year . A harsh
> critic of the Warren Commission, he was one of several photographic
> consultants to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) and
> testified at the 1975 United States President's Commission on CIA
> activities within the United States, sometimes referred to
> (improperly) as the Rockefeller Commission.
>
> By his own admission at the OJ Simpson civil trial, Groden is a high
> school dropout with no formal photography training of any kind. He is
> not certified by any professional photography organizations and, in
> fact, does not even know the names of such organizations. He has never
> taught any photography cl***** nor has he ever published anything with
> respect to photography. He was discharged from the Army for
> "inadaptibility to military life."
>
> He was a consultant for Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK.
>
> As well as his own publications, Groden co-authored with Harrison E.
> Livingstone the book High Treason: The Assassination of President John
> F. Kennedy & the Case for Conspiracy.
>
> During the O.J. Simpson civil trial, Groden appeared as an expert
> witness and testified that a photograph of Simpson wearing Bruno Magli
> shoes at a 1993 football game was a fake. After thirty other photos by
> a different photographer of Simpson on the same day wearing the same
> clothes =E2=80=94 including the shoes =E2=80=94 surfaced, Groden
maintaine=
d that the
> photograph was a forgery.
>
> Groden sued Random House over a 1993 New York Times advertisement for
> Gerald Posner's book Case Closed where he was featured along with
> other conspiracy theorists and declared "guilty of misleading the
> American public." The U.S. District Court issued a summary judgment
> and dismissed the case
>
> "OUCH"
>
> Groden: OINK
OINKhttp://www.shutterstock.com/pic-8917750-cute-pink-piggy-b=
ank-standing...
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
>
> > >>> Zapruder and his family. I should have said that Nelson was the
only=
one
> > >> And Zapruder was not a conspiracy theorist. Neither was Gerald Ford
> > >> (publicly) or David Belin (publicly).
>
> > >>> (that I am aware of that outright DEMANDED payment for im****tant
> > >>> information). Hurt never got the information because Hurt refused
to=
pay
> > >>> Nelson
> > >>> Some people have even made the study of the tragedy a lifetime
pursu=
it
> > >>> without pay. I see names on these newsgroups that have been
posting =
for
> > >>> many years.and to this day we are still seeking the truth..
> > >>> It is an interesting subject and hopefully one day the world will
kn=
ow if
> > >>> one angry young man managed to murder JFK all alone or whether it
wa=
s a
> > >>> conspiracy involving members of the very government that Kennedy
was=
> > >>> allegedly in charge of.
>
> > >> I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our very
> > >> government. The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
p=
ower.
>
> > > =C2=A0Magus,Marsh wrote:
>
> > > =C2=A0" I reject your notion that the conspirators represent our
very
> > > government. =C2=A0The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power
gr=
abs
> > > power."
>
> > > =C2=A0 Do you reazile what you just admitted to? =C2=A0That's
exactly =
why JFK was
> > > murfered.....The idea of a coup is that a faction out of power grabs
> > > power.
>
> > >>> I believe, If I am permitted , that it was a conspiracy and that
man=
y
> > >>> people know all of the details regarding the event. They feel that
t=
here
> > >>> is no point in stirring **** since it smells bad enough unstirred.
> > >> And maybe they have revealed it already.
>
> > >>> Kennedy was not loved by large groups in the military-industrial
com=
plex
> > >>> that President Eisenhower warned us about and who were well
pleased =
when
> > >>> Kennedy was removed from office with a bullet. I remember that day
w=
ell,
> > >>> and I remember the cheering that took place in many circles and
espe=
cially
> > >>> among my Mafia friends.
> > >>> ------------------
> > >>>>> In 1984, =C2=A0author, Henry Hurt met Nelson in a parking lot in
C=
orsicana
> > >>>>> Texas, where Nelson was in provate business. Nelson told Hurt
that=
he
> > >>>>> had waited a long time to tell his story for the record but not
> > >>>>> without payment. =C2=A0Hurt never got the story because Hurt
refus=
ed to pay
> > >>>>> Nelson
> > >>>>> pp 161-63-63 =C2=A0Reasonable Doubt
> > >>>>>> On Mar 1, 9:29=EF=BF=BDpm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Dallas police corrupton in 1963
> > >>>>>>> Tippit was a dirty cop and every other cop in Dallas knew it.
=
=EF=BF=BDDo your
> > >>>>>>> homework. =EF=BF=BDI talked to Harry Olsen, when he lived in
Cal=
ifornia, and he
> > >>>>>>> assured me that Tippit knew Jack Ruby and had ambition to make
m=
oney in
> > >>>>>>> his job as a local "COP" =EF=BF=BD( Olsen called me and I have
a=
letter from
> > >>>>>>> Harry)
> > >>>>>>> I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the
Sheriff=
's police
> > >>>>>>> cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over
t=
he Dallas
> > >>>>>>> community. I lived in the Alamo Motel (still there , I
believe..=
.. on the
> > >>>>>>> Dallas Fort Worth Pike ) and after several days living there,
th=
e black
> > >>>>>>> handyman informed me that if I wanted anything, including
whiske=
y or
> > >>>>>>> prostitutes. he could arrange it with the Dallas police or the
"=
guys" from
> > >>>>>>> the Sheriff's office. I never needed either---- however I
witnes=
sed many
>
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I lived in Dallas and watched both Dallas police and the Sheriff's
police
> cars deliver prostitutes and booze to motel residents all over the
Dallas
> community.
Interesting. Isn't there job to protect and SERVE? Well, they're
serving :-)
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