Raymond wrote:
> On Mar 8, 2:02=EF=BF=BDpm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wr=
ote:
>> Martin Shackelford wrote:
>>> The "tramps" were led from a point two blocks south of Dealey Plaza b=
ack
>>> along the tracks to the Plaza (perhaps for Bowers to identify them), =
and
>>> then walked across to the Sheriff's office. In the course of that tri=
p,
>>> they passed many people, not just the character misidentified as Lans=
dale,
>>> whom Fletcher Prouty pur****ted to identify from the photo of the man =
from
>>> behind. The man wasn't "walking with" the tramps--they simply passed =
by
>>> him on the sidewalk. The men weren't "maybe arrested for killing the
>>> president," they were arrested for vagrancy, for riding a freight tra=
in.
>>> The reference to "two cops with guns" (standard in the area after the
>>> assassination) is somewhat undermined by the fact that the "two cops"=
saw
>>> no need to handcuff the three men. You attempt to turn this into caus=
e for
>>> suspicion--based, again, on nothing, but your own false assumption th=
at
>>> they were "maybe arrested for killing the president," for which no
>>> evidence exists. When the Dallas Police Intelligence Division files,
>>> released in the late 1980s by the Dallas City Council, were finally
>>> examined by researchers Ray and Mary LaFountaine, the arrest re****ts =
of
>>> the "tramps" were found and described (photocopies were later publish=
ed by
>>> Harrison Livingstone). I've seen nothing from any serious researcher
>>> clinging to the "tramps" myths of the 1970s since re****ters interview=
ed
>>> the two surviving men and the families of all three. Those few who
>>> continue to rail about E. Howard Hunt, Charles Harrelson/Frank Sturgi=
s,
>>> and several candidates for "Frenchy the tramp" do so without any vali=
d
>>> evidence. For a while, some took seriously the opinion of a forensic
>>> artist named Lois Gibson, but she had no background in forensic
>>> anthropology, a discipline which shattered the myths. Do you really
>>> believe that the guy in charge of Operation Mongoose, appointed by JF=
K,
>>> was loitering around Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, coordinating =
the
>>> assassination of the man who had appointed him?
>> Correct except for the speculation at the end. It does not speak to
>> evidence. One can not rule him in or out just based on bias about what
>> you think would be typical or practical. Like the nonsense about Nixon=
,
>> we need to find evidence one way or the other. Either it was possible
>> for him to be in Dallas then or he is know to have been elsewhere. If =
it
>> was possible, then you can't just laugh it away. Then you'd need to de=
al
>> with specifics.
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> Chinese proverb:
> "One who asks a question is a fool for five minutes; one who does not
> ask a question remains a fool forever".
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> Nixon's Three Stories of Where He Was on November 22, 1963
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> In the first place, strange things which could scarcely all be coincide=
nce=20
> happened even before JFK was killed. On the morning of November 22, 196=
3,=20
> the day Kennedy was killed the New York Times carried an item on a back=
=20
> page, It was datelined Dallas. And it said that ex-Vice-President Richa=
rd=20
> M. Nixon had made a speech in Dallas before a group of businessmen,
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> Not only did the Times carry that story on the very day JFK died, but=20
> Nixon was in Dallas the day Kennedy died, and it is very possible that =
he=20
> was still in Dallas at the moment Kennedy died. Despite all other re****=
ts=20
> to the contrary. And of course the thing that makes this so very im****t=
ant=20
> is that Nixon and others have for some reason tried to conceal that fac=
t..
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> By itself, this would not be im****tant. Being in Dallas on November 22n=
d.=20
> 1963 does not make just anyone. for example, Nixon, a murderer; but the=
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> record of Nixon's visit to Dallas has been deliberately obscured. Let's=
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> pick three "official" versions of Nixon's actions that day and see
how=20
> they compare and then what the differences may signify.
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The differences are not significant.
> Story One
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> Not long after Kennedy was shot, Nixon wrote an unusually long article =
for=20
> the Reader's Digest. It appeared in the November 1964 issue under the=20
> strange title, "Cuba, Castro, and John F Kennedy." Prepared as it was b=
y=20
> Nixon or for his signature and prepared for the massive worldwide audie=
nce=20
> of the August Reader's Digest, we are asked to believe that this is the=
=20
> factual account of what took place. Nixon says
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> "I urged, in a statement to the press [ Dallas on November 21 that
the=20
> President and the vice-president be shown the respect to which their=20
> office entitled them."
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> Nixon added,
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> "I boarded a plane in Dallas on the morning of November 22 to New York.=
We=20
> arrived on schedule at 12:56. I hailed a cab. We were waiting for a lig=
ht=20
> to change when a man ran over from the street corner and said that
the=20
> President had just been shot in Dallas. This is the way that I learned =
the=20
> news."
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> Story Two
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> Now let's look at another Nixon account of the same day The November
> 1973 issue of Esquire magazine carried the following Nixon quote;
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> "I attended the Pepsi Cola convention [ in Dallas ]and left on Friday=20
> morning. November 22, from Love Field. Dallas, on a flight back to
New=20
> York , . . on arrival in New York we caught a cab and headed for the ci=
ty=20
> the cabbie missed a turn somewhere and we were off the highway . . .
a=20
> woman came out of her house screaming and crying. I rolled down the cab=
=20
> window to ask what the matter was and when she saw my face she turned e=
ven=20
> paler. She told me that John Kennedy had just been shot in Dallas,"
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> Story Three
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> Now let's look at the "official" account from "The Day Kennedy was
> Shot, by Jim Bishop:"
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> "At Idlewild Air****t now JFK Air****t) in New York , re****ters and=20
> photographers had been waiting for the American Airlines plane among (t=
he=20
> passengers) was Nixon. As he got off the plane he thought that he would=
=20
> give 'the boys' basically the same interview he had granted in Dallas .=
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> Nixon posed for a few pictures . . . got into a taxi-cab was barely out=
of=20
> the air****t when one of the re****ters got the message: The President ha=
s=20
> been shot in Dallas."
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> Comparison
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> Now let's compare these. Nixon was in Dallas on November 22. The versio=
ns=20
Yes, he was. So what?
> agree that he took some plane out in the morning Bishop says it was=20
> American Airlines and that it went into Idlewild. Nixon says that it=20
What difference does it make which airline?
> landed precisely at 12:56 nearly one half-hour after Kennedy had been=20
> shot. Certainly the crew would have heard over their radio that the=20
Jeez, it's simple little mistakes like this that remove any respect I=20
have for people like you. You can't even do simple math so you turn
your=20
error into some conspiracy theory.
IF the plane landed at 12:56 that is a half hour BEFORE Kennedy was=20
killed. Go pedal your nonsense in a wacky newsgroup where they won't=20
know the difference.
> president had been shot and would have told their passengers. Then Bish=
op=20
> says re****ters and photographers were there. Certainly they too would h=
ave=20
> known about Kennedy's murder by then. Everyone else in the world did.=20
> Bishop says the photographers took pictures. Where are they?
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In the newspaper. It's been posted before. I know some people think=20
Nixon was handsome, but only one picture is more than enough. He didn't=20
rate a 5 photo spread.
> Nixon says he traveled to New York from Dallas with a friend. Who?
And=20
> what is his story?
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What difference would it make?
> Nixon says he got in a cab, presumably well after 12:56. What cabbie in=
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> New York City would have not known the news by then? And then Nixon tel=
ls=20
No one in NY could have known by then because Kennedy had not yet been=20
shot, unless Jean Dixon happened to be in NY that day.
> a strange story. The first time a man ran out to the cab with the news,=
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> and the second time the cab was "lost" and a woman ran out screaming an=
d=20
> crying the news. These different accounts do not hold water.
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All meaningless differences. Maybe all are true. A guy runs up to the=20
cab, a woman is crying in the streets. That was the first chance that=20
Nixon had to learn about the assassination.
> With all of this very contrived series of accounts it looks as though=20
> someone has been fabricating a cover-up of Nixon's actions that day. Wh=
y?
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No, it doesn't. I looks as though you are tying together erroneous=20
information to create a conspiracy theory.
> The True Story
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> Actually, Nixon was in Dallas when JFK was shot. On April 2nd 1975 a yo=
ung=20
> man was listening to a talk at his school when he heard the lecturer te=
ll=20
> about the Esquire account of Nixon's trip to Dallas, and how and when=20
> Nixon had learned about JFK's death. That young man then told the=20
> lecturer, "My father was an executive for the Pepsi Cola Company, and h=
e=20
> was in Dallas on November 22nd 1963 at that convention. He has told
me=20
> that Nixon was there in Dallas at the convention when the announcement =
was=20
> heard that JFK had been killed, Nixon left later that afternoon,"
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That is a lie. Nixon was photographed in New York about 1 PM.
> This young man is the son of Mr. Harvey Russel of the Pepsi Cola Compan=
y.=20
> When Mr. Russel was informed of his son's account, he agreed that his=20
> son's story was true. Mr. Russel confirmed that Nixon was attending tha=
t=20
> meeting at the time the shots were fired. He added Nixon was there=20
> representing the Pepsi Cola Company's law firm Mudge, Rose, Nixon et al=
..=20
> The Dallas newspapers stated that Nixon was attending a board meeting.
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It's a lie and it's stupid.
> Mr. Russel confirmed that the session Nixon was attending broke up when=
=20
> the assassination news came through. Nixon then returned to his hotel a=
nd=20
> later in the afternoon had been driven to the Dallas air****t by a Mr.=20
> Deluca, also a Pepsi Cola official.
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> Nixon was registered at the Adolphus Hotel
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> These surprising series of events and the manner in which they unfolded=
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> after all these years underscore that there was something unusual about=
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> Nixon's visit to Dallas. Telephone calls to Deluca and again to Russel =
did=20
> little more than highlight their growing concern over the inadvertent=20
> disclosure of this story.
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> http://www.prouty.org/nixon.html
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Consider the source. Prouty =3D Wacko.
>>> Martin
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>>> <thaliac...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:6e870f57-a4a0-4495-a7ba-7d9439a097e7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Mar 6, 1:05 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> thaliac...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 5, 3:04 am, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> YoHarvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 9:39 pm, Raymond <Bluerhy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Familiar Faces In Dealey Plaza
>>>>>>>> by Allan Eaglesham=EF=BF=BD & Martha Schallhorn=EF=BF=BD
>>>>>>>> This article was originally published in JFK Deep Politics Quart=
erly
>>>>>>>> Volume VI Number 1, October 2000, pages 28-35.
>>>>>>>> It's worth a look see.
>>>>>>>> (Please click on the thumbnail image to display the full page)
>>>>>>>> http://www.jfkresearch.com/faces.htm
>>>>>>> Exactly why is it worth a look?
>>>>>> Not worth it. Most of that nonsense was debunked by the HSCA.- Hid=
e
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>>>>> Anthony - How was it debunked? You should read A Farewell to Justic=
e
>>>>> by Joan Mellen, and I wonder if you will trust anything the HSCA te=
lls
>>>>> you again?
>>>> I SHOULD read? Please don't tell me that I should read something whe=
n I
>>>> read it long before you did.
>>>> As far as I know, I am the ONLY critic who wrote a long detailed let=
ter
>>>> to the HSCA pointing out their errors. All I ask is that you actuall=
y
>>>> read the HSCA re****t (online) and see that they debunked those ideas=
..
>>>> Then if you doubt their methods, read the re****ts in the volumes.- H=
ide
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>>> Well excuse me! I don't have time to read everything that gets posted
>>> on here as I work full time and go to uni part time, and I know you
>>> are extemely well educated on this topic but funnily enough I don't
>>> keep a list of who reads what book. I thought that was the whole poin=
t
>>> of discussion forums like this one - people can ask questions and get
>>> pointed in new or different directions. All I know is that those men
>>> actually do look like the men the authors claim they might be (unlike
>>> the tramps photos - what a joke) Lansdale (or the man walking by the
>>> tramps) does have certain characteristics that are similar to
>>> Lansdale, ie height, stoop and ring. I know it is just a "snapshot" i=
n
>>> time, but why would John Q citizen walk along a fence with three men
>>> who have been arrested for maybe killing the president and two cops
>>> with guns on the other side of him? Why would the police let "Joe
>>> Bloe" get anywhere near men who have arrested in such suspicious
>>> cirumstances? =EF=BF=BDJohn Q citizen doesn't even seem curious about=
the men
>>> arrested. lansdale probrably did want the men to see him if they were
>>> arrested to reassure them that it was ok. Makes sense to me.
>>> Also, the police are as laissez fair about the "tramps" as all get
>>> out. What did they know about the tramps that would make them so
>>> unwary of them? Suspicious.
>>> I will read more of the HSCA re****t, but just to save time for , in
>>> one sentence can you sum up how you know that man is not Lansdale????=
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