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Statement from Judyth Baker

by "Martin Shackelford" <mshack4@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 27, 2008 at 09:24 PM

from J: Other researchers have talked to Dr. Mirand, who said the 
dismissal was because of violating a housing regulation (on Aug. 25th).  
Here is my statement concerning these matters:

Statement by Judyth Vary Baker, April 26, 2008

The Indiana Biological Association was an organization of doctors and 
scientists in Indianapolis organized for the purpose of attracting young 
scientists to study the biological sciences in Indiana.  This was my home 
state, so I was included in their lobbying efforts. They met me at the 
International Science and Engineering Fair in Indianapolis and helped put 
together a scholar****p package for me.

I next met with members of that association at Notre Dame University, at 
the beginning of the second week of October, 1961, where I presented my 
paper on melanogenesis, at their invitation.  My aunt drove me there, as 
she lived nearby.  She drove me back to St. Francis the next day. My 
family in that area -- cousins-- still remember my one-day visit there. 
The association had contacted Mrs. Georgia Watkins of the Florida ACS, and

local newspapers, on October 5, 1961, a few ays earlier, as it was 
considered good publicity for the American Cancer Society. Articles about 
the paper to be presented to the association reached the papers on the 
6th.  The doctors then contacted st. Francis and recommended my attendance

at the Academy of Science conference at Terre Haute. St. Francis was given

funds to drive me up to Terre Haute: three nuns did so.  This is the 
conference where a researcher found a record of the paper --- the second 
time, not the first time -- that it was presented, in mid-October.

Mrs. Georgia Watkins referred to the IBA meeting in a newspaper article 
dated October 6, and to my presentation of a paper to that organization in

a letter to me a week later, whereas this second presentation was held at 
in mid-October.  At that time, Sister Claire was a co-presenter because I 
had established my lab at St. Francis only six weeks earlier, and she had 
vetted my new work.  The title of the paper I presented at the Academy 
bespeaks of the advanced level of my work, which even after forty-five 
years would be impossible for a layman to understand.  I presented every 
word of it personally.

I previously didn't mention the Terre Haute experience because I couldn't 
remember enough details, and had no do***ents to prove it. This was 
because that same day, after hours of discussion with the three nuns while

on the long car trip to and from Terre Haute, I agreed to become a nun, 
and this decision overwhelmed memories of the conference experience there.

Two weeks later, my parents, upset over my decision, removed me at 
midnight on October 31st, in their haste taking a room-mate's clothes, and

leaving behind all my money, do***ents, papers, and the precious melanoma 
cancer cells, and SV40 virus cultures I'd been working on.  My parents 
refused mail contact with St. Francis, and I was unable to get the paper 
published: in the journal, for publication wasn't guaranteed until it was 
submitted for reviews, but that was now impossible.

In 1999, I tried to locate the paper without success, and thank Barb J. 
for finding a record of its presentation, actually the second time it was 
presented.  I also learned in 1999 that the Indiana Biological Association

was no longer in existence, or had changed its name. Created to attract 
biology students to Indiana, most likely it would be called a lobby today.

One of its members was a scientist from Eli Lilly's at Fort Wayne, 
Indiana. I had already given his name to researchers previously, as 
sup****ting my research while at St. rancis College.

As to Dr. Mirand's statement that I was dismissed from the Roswell summer 
program due to a housing violation, Dr. Moore intervened, and I was kept 
on, without a word.  I never saw nor signed any dismissal papers.  I had 
moved from the "Y" the final week of the program because I was isolated, 
even though Dr. Mirand said there were 9 girls at the "Y" -- I saw none of

them. Besides, I worked in Dr. Moore's private lab, separate from those 
who worked on lower floors in the building, or in bigger labs.  I also 
needed some sleep, which I wasn't getting at the "Y.".  Across from my 
room, a woman had nightly epileptic seizures due to her brain cancer, and 
I spent about an hour every night with a stick between her jaws.  The 
woman next to her was a black opera singer dying of throat cancer, whose 
groans kept me awake.  A friend told me about a room near campus where I 
felt I could get a decent night's sleep.

I moved there for the final week of Aug. 25-Sept. 1st, but before I spent 
a single night there, Dr. Mirand arrived, white-faced and upset.  I didn't

have funds for the week of Aug. 25-Sept. 1st, as the landlord kept the 
money, so Dr. Mirand accessed a special fund to pay the bill for the final

week of Aug. 25-Sept. 1st.  I kept the receipt as a souvenir of his 
generosity, and because of the private fund's number written on the 
receipt, which I tought interesing. Dr. Mirand was angry with me, yes, and

rumors spread that I was in the doghouse over the incident, but 
nevertheless I presented my paper on August 31st - as did others in the 
program-and he grudgingly praised the paper.  It's possible Dr. Moore may 
have intervened to keep me in the program. Or, being a very kind man, Dr. 
Moore may have decided not to tell me that Dr. Mirand dismissed me from 
the program so close to the finish.  My work was too im****tant to simply 
drop, and I ended up receiving awards, including a $1,300 stipend from NSF

funds provided to the program.

Dr. Moore remained in contact with me until I went to New Orleans in 1963,

and authorized some standard lab equipment to be sent to St. Francis 
College in September, including 200 plastic flasks for tissue culture 
purposes.  I hope that Dr. Mirand will look into the records, as I was 
never told I was dismissed from the program, nor did I ever sign any 
release papers at any time.  I apologize for any inconveniences this has 
caused Dr. Mirand, who has done so much for so many students in cancer 
research.  Judyth Vary Baker

2) Reily Co. told her that the green gl***** were only offered as premiums

in 1959-60.

Question: how would I have known that green gl***** were EVER offered as 
premiums by Reily?  Pure guesswork?  Bob Vernon is on record as going a 
few years ago to Wm. B. Reily and giving him a heads-up about me.  It is 
then easy to claim that green gl***** weren't sent out as premiums in 
mid-1963, only earlier.  Just as the 'error' saying I was at Roswell in 
1962, this seems another convenient 'error.' Once again, how would I have 
known about green gl***** as premiums, especially three or four years 
earlier?  Nobody ever brought out such a detail.  Go ahead, take the 
company's word for it, but common sense should tell you that actually 
admitting such a premium existed at all goes far.

3) She found do***ents indicating that the Russian course couldn't have 
been created for you, that it was in existence from an earlier time.

I think I was enrolled in Dr. T Concevitch's MJC class in Fall of 1960, 
and later audited the class, when I could, in 1961.  But in 1959,1960, and

1961, I was being sent around to help raise funds for the new technology 
building at Manatee High School, and our science projects. Some newspaper 
articles exist mentioning my work to raise such funds. Since this had 
nothing to do with research, I haven't made those articles public.  I was 
missing a lot of school, though, and when I was at the Sarasota Air Force 
base at a luncheon, in 1959, I was asked by the retired officers there to 
learn Russian. They wanted me to read re****ts on science progress in the 
USSR.
    Col. Doyle brought up the suject t them because David Tracy and Dave 
Deitrich, at Manatee County High School (then so named) were pu****ng, 
along with me, for Russian cl***** at our high school.  Dave Deitrich is 
now a lawyer who can be contacted to verify that he helped lobby not only 
for the science seminar to be created, but also for Russian to be taught. 

The three of us got the science Seminar, but not the high school Russian 
cl*****, as we simply didn't have enough electives time for both.  
Deitrich and Tracy went on to enroll in Russian at the University of 
Florida, which is on record.  I think Dave Tracy minored in Russian.
   Back in 1959, I said I'd be happy to study Russian if they would find 
me a teacher who could teach the class at night.  I believe they located 
Dr. Concevitch, who was teaching cl***** in an extension program, possibly

with New College, and got him to start teaching at Manatee Jr. College.  
See the attached statement showing I had personal correspondence with Dr. 
Concevitch (envelope) and my mother's statement showing I attended in 1960

and 1961, not just 1960, and that my instruction was privately funded.  
They are only looking at my official attendance record for Fall of 1960, I

believe, while Concevitch may have started teaching at the Jr. College 
that spring or summer. But it was my talk at the air force base that 
created the demand for a Russian class in 1959.  I had such a hectic 
chedule that I was unable to attend night cl***** in 1959 and had to wait 
until 1960, but I still had many absences and had to end up auditing that 
course, too.

At least they must now admit there was a paper presented, and that no 
layman or hig school science student 45 years ago could have done that 
kind of research-- that it is genine cancer research-- something they 
claimed I did not accomplish.  of course Sister Claire, knowing me only 
six weeks, did none of that research herself, but was needed to sponsor 
the paper and vett it. And 'dismissed' at Roswell, which I was never told,

if true was due to a housing violation, not lack of resarch ability, and 
that decision was overturned, or at least changed so I could continue my 
work under Dr. Moore alone, who was sup****tive the whole way.  ==j==
 




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Statement from Judyth Baker
"Martin Shackelford&  2008-04-27 21:24:02 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
John McAdams <john.mca  2008-04-27 20:57:48 
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"Martin Shackelford&  2008-04-29 11:26:17 
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howardp <howpl@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 01:24:49 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
John McAdams <john.mca  2008-05-03 00:35:10 
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jfk297x@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-03 23:24:21 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Barb Junkkarinen <barb  2008-05-03 20:57:36 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-04 20:36:38 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Dave Reitzes <dreitzes  2008-05-14 10:29:08 
Cat got your tongue, Dr. Platzman?
Dave Reitzes <dreitzes  2008-05-22 03:36:14 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
"Michael O'Dell"  2008-04-28 17:14:34 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
curtjester1 <curtjeste  2008-04-28 17:15:26 
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"Martin Shackelford&  2008-04-29 13:19:01 
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curtjester1 <curtjeste  2008-04-30 23:03:56 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Rudy Lasparri <RudyL39  2008-04-28 22:27:36 
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jfk297x@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-29 13:20:34 
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Steve Thomas <misledrk  2008-04-30 14:00:29 
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jfk297x@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-02 12:57:31 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Barb Junkkarinen <barb  2008-05-02 10:21:06 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-02 23:57:13 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Rudy Lasparri <RudyL39  2008-05-03 16:24:11 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Barb Junkkarinen <barb  2008-05-03 14:48:51 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
"Martin Shackelford&  2008-05-04 18:36:53 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Barb Junkkarinen <barb  2008-05-04 16:04:46 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
jfk297x@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-03 23:24:34 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Barb Junkkarinen <barb  2008-05-03 21:04:42 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
jfk297x@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-07 22:27:39 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Barb Junkkarinen <barb  2008-05-07 20:26:31 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Dave Reitzes <dreitzes  2008-05-09 21:57:56 
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William Yates <william  2008-05-10 14:12:50 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-10 18:31:10 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
William Yates <william  2008-05-10 23:08:34 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 18:53:34 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
William Yates <william  2008-05-12 00:30:41 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Steve Thomas <misledrk  2008-05-09 23:30:06 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
Dave Reitzes <dreitzes  2008-05-11 18:45:50 
Re: Statement from Judyth Baker
jfk297x@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-12 19:54:45 
Judyth's recent statements...
Barb Junkkarinen <barb  2008-05-15 13:41:13 

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