Re: JFK, Addison's Disease, Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome, and the

Herbert Blenner wrote:
> On Apr 27, 9:25 pm, "Jas" <jste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Herbert wrote: "These stumbling blocks are sufficient to declare the S=
BT
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>> dead before conception."
>>
>> Quite a leap of faith to declare this, don't you think Herbert?
>>
>> Herbert also wrote: "To make matters worse for the SBT, the FPP has th=
e 45
>>
>> degree angle of incidence lying in a plane perpendicular to the plane
>> do***ented by the Bethseda. So which, SBT do you defend?"
>>
>> Herbert, obviously, and as you know but asked anyway I guess to prove =
a
>> point :>) -- I defend the official Warren Commission findings.
>>
>> I would like to see the do***entation for this alleged 45 degree downw=
ard
>> trajectory. Please post links or referral to do***ents if you can.
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> You have quoted my use the "45 degree angle of incidence" so explain
> how
> you arrived at a "45 degree downward trajectory."
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>> Has it occurred to you that if, in fact, it is a 45 degree downward an=
gle,
>> which it isn't, there exists no place above the limo in Dealey at the =
time
>> of the shot to facilitate any deflection and/or direct shot to cause t=
he
>> bullet to enter at a 45 degree angle? In other words, what surface wou=
ld
>> you have your deflected bullet deflecting off of, might I ask?
>>
>> Use your eyes and your common sense (there's that pesky phrase again -=
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>> "common sense"). It doesn't take a ballistics expert to figure this ou=
t.
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> You should heed your own advice. If I meant a 45 degree downward
> angle
> then I would not have called it an incidence angle. As for the
> forensic experts
> they recognize the relation****p between the dimensions of an
> elliptical bullet
> hole and the incidence angle of the striking bullet. For example see
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> http://www.jbpub.com/samples/0763735299/Girard%20Sample%20Chapter%202.p=
df
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> On page 45 of "Investigating and Processing Physical Evidence" Girard
> wrote:
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> Source:
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> http://mysite.verizon.net/a1eah71/temps/holegeometry.jpg
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> "Most bullet holes are elliptically shaped, so trigonometry can be
> used to estimate the angle of entry. The following equation can be
> used to estimate the angle of entry" [theta].
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> cos [theta] =3D Shorter dimension / Longer dimension
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> Theta is the incidence angle between the trajectory of the impinging
> bullet and the perpendicular to the entry site. Obviously the
> incidence
> angle differs from the trajectory angle of the bullet whenever the
> perpendicular
> to the wound is not parallel to level ground.
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>> If, for example, the shot fired from the easternmost sixth floor windo=
w of
>> the TSBD at around Z 223 deflected off a branch of the Texas live oak =
that
>> was situated in front of the building, it wouldn't have entered Kenned=
y at
>> any 45 degree angle in his upper back where it actually did. It would =
have
>> more than likely deflected off to one side or another, or somewhere
>> underneath the window where Oswald was, possibly striking one of the
>> spectators in Dealey (or motorcade members) that were situated closer =
to
>> the TSBD, thus facilitating a possible 45 degree angle from the two
>> positions between shooter and victim. Or, it would have broken up and =
sent
>> some fragments in any direction, take your pick.
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> The Clark Panel described the abrasion surrounding the bullet hole in
> President
> Kennedy's back as a 7 mm by 10 mm ellipse. These dimensions were
> confirmed
> by the FPP. Using the above relation****p gives cos [theta] =3D 7 mm / 1=
0
> mm so
> the angle theta becomes 46 degree.  Likewise correcting the 4 mm by 7
> mm
> dimensions of the oval bullet hole for elastic relaxation and swell of
> tissues gives
> an incidence angle of 42 degree.
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Pure nonsense.

>> Unless, of course, you're maintaining there was a shot from the more
>> western side of the 6th floor (or 5th, or 4th floor) something of whic=
h
>> there is absolutely no evidence of occurring. Unless you want to start
>> manufacturing evidence. Then, we just enter the conspiracist's
>> merry-go-round of making things up, yada yada, to sup****t their person=
al
>> theories.
>>
>> James
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> Did you honestly mistake an incidence angle for a downward trajectory
> angle
> or did you make this up?
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> Herbert
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>> "Herbert Blenner" <a1ea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>
>> news:63c0ed0f-e486-4a8b-b6dc-6942ef47cb12@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Apr 26, 9:25 pm, "Jas" <jste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> As we know, there's a lot of controversy stirred up by conspiracists =
over
>>> Kennedy's back wound location and whether a single bullet fired by Os=
wald
>>> from the sixth floor TSBD could pass through and out his lower anteri=
or
>>> neck, (if, according to them, it p***** out at all), and goes on thro=
ugh
>>> Connally, through his right wrist, into his left leg, and ending up o=
n a
>>> stretcher at Parkland Hospital -- the Single Bullet Theory, CE 399.
>>> Conspiracists maintain that the upper body bullet trajectory isn't on=
 a
>>> downward path because the exit wound in the lower throat is higher th=
an
>>> the upper back, therefore another bullet hit Kennedy in the throat fr=
om
>>> the front, and they say the autopsists found the bullet hole in Kenne=
dy's
>>> upper back positioned lower on his back than the Warren Commission di=
d.
>>> Conspiracists also say that the bullet hit Kennedy lower than the War=
ren
>>> Commission and its defenders say it did, because the bullet holes in =
his
>>> ****rt and jacket are lower than the Commission said, therefore it was=
 a
>>> shot from somewhere other than the TSBD, possibly the Dal-Tex buildin=
g.
>>> They say this can be proven by where his ****rt and jacket were locate=
d on
>>> his back -- "bunched up," or "not bunched up" -- at the time of the C=
E 399
>>> shot at around Z-223.
>>> For conspiracists to use these perceived viewpoints as "evidence" or =
proof
>>> of other shooters in Dealey Plaza in trying to prove the SBT invalid,=
 is
>>> wrong. Other than the fact that there were indeed mistakes, changes, =
and
>>> some confusion in the autopsists re****ts and testimonies regarding th=
e
>>> actual location of the upper back bullet hole, I feel the reason for =
the
>>> confusion was not because of a cover-up and conspiracy, but because o=
f a
>>> condition I believe Kennedy suffered from known as Iatrogenic Cu****ng=
's
>>> Syndrome.
>>> Unfortunately I can't verify this by citing re****ts and do***ents bec=
ause
>>> I don't have access to Kennedy's confidential medical records, nor do=
 I
>>> have charts and diagrams with the actual mathematical measurements of=
 the
>>> curves of his spine while he is sitting in the back seat of his limo,=
 the
>>> likes of which I highly doubt were done by his doctors in the first p=
lace.
>>> But from Kennedy's known medical condition and certain known medical
>>> facts, I can draw a solid inference that he suffered from this disord=
er,
>>> and that this can help to understand how the SBT can, and does, work.
>>> What I do have is the known fact that Kennedy suffered from Addison's
>>> Disease, had for many years and indeed almost died from it, and the f=
act
>>> that he was prescribed large doses of cortisone to treat it. I also h=
ave
>>> the known medical fact that intake of large doses of cortisone, over =
time,
>>> causes osteo****osis and a condition known as Iatrogenic Cu****ng's
>>> Syndrome, an exaggerated outward curving of the upper spine and forwa=
rd
>>> positioning of the chest, head and neck area (also called Kyphosis).
>>> For detailed information on this medical condition, please refer to t=
he
>>> two article links below, and/or Google "Osteo****osis, Iatrogenic Cush=
ing's
>>> Syndrome, Addison's Disease, Steroid use, Kyphosis" and/or any combin=
ation
>>> of similar key words:
>>> http://upmc.com/Services/MinimallyInvasiveendoNeurosurgeryCenter/Cond=
....
>>> http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Hormon=
....
>>> This medical condition, with the way it caused Kennedy's upper body t=
o be
>>> rounded and angled forward with the anatomical "pu****ng forward" of h=
is
>>> upper spine, upper chest, and head and neck, helps to place his lower
>>> anterior neck where the exit wound was, *below* the upper back, and i=
n
>>> line with the SBT shot at around Z-223.
>>> I believe this medical condition is one of the most under researched =
(if
>>> at all researched), but nevertheless im****tant, keys to understanding=
 the
>>> SBT and how the bullet enters and p***** through Kennedy's upper back=
 and
>>> exits where the Warren Commission said it did. I also believe this is=
 why
>>> there was some confusion as to the placement of the actual wound on c=
harts
>>> by the autopsists, and that measurements made from the mastoid proces=
s
>>> behind the right ear may have muddled a way to determine the exact
>>> location when comparing it to the rest of Kennedy's upper back. In ot=
her
>>> words, in the confusion, and in hastily fini****ng the autopsy because=
 the
>>> Kennedy family (especially Mrs. Kennedy) didn't want to leave Bethesd=
a
>>> without the body, pathologists were simply mistaken in thinking the b=
ullet
>>> hole might have been located at vertebra T3 or thereabouts because, d=
ue to
>>> Kennedy's exaggerated spine curvature, T3 would appear higher on Kenn=
edy's
>>> spine than on a normal spine. And, in the years since the assassinati=
on
>>> and with subsequent investigations such as the HSCA, the reason why t=
here
>>> remains some confusion as to the actual placement of the bullet hole =
is
>>> because pathologists still have to rely on these hastily drawn charts=
,
>>> diagrams, and autopsy photos to try to re-determine where the bullet =
hole
>>> was located. And, of course, this confusion carries over to researche=
rs
>>> studying the assassination and is the reason for the ongoing controve=
rsy.
>>> So, if one measures the distance from the mastoid process behind Kenn=
edy's
>>> right ear to the bullet hole, as was actually done at the autopsy, be=
cause
>>> of the exaggerated curvature of his upper spine placing his head and =
neck
>>> in a more forward position than a normal person, that distance is goi=
ng to
>>> be deceiving, even to a trained pathologist pressed for time, when
>>> compared to measuring a more flat, straighter neck and upper spine.
>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome can also help explain why the bullet ho=
les
>>> in Kennedy's ****rt and jacket don't line up exactly with the actual b=
ullet
>>> hole in his upper back, and why they may be further down:
>>> How ****rts and jackets are generally tailored, the way they drape ove=
r the
>>> upper back from the collar on down on normal people (who, by the way,=
 all
>>> have outward curves in their upper spines, though not as exaggerated =
as in
>>> people with Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome) and compensating for the
>>> exaggerated curve in Kennedy's upper spine -- this curve's rounded
>>> measurement adding distance to the measurement of the ****rt and jacke=
t
>>> fabric -- is why when we see pictures of his bloody ****rt and jacket
>>> hanging straight down as opposed to being actually worn on him, and w=
hen
>>> measured from the collar straight down -- without the spinal curve --=
 the
>>> holes in the ****rt and jacket appear lower.
>>> So to sum: Because Kennedy was not sitting straight up in the limo, h=
is
>>> spine not on a completely vertical line at the time of the shot, and =
that
>>> he was slumped forward a bit not only because he sat that way normall=
y as
>>> some people do, (some more than others), but also because he was suff=
ering
>>> from Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome that caused his upper chest, head,=
 and
>>> neck area to slump forward somewhat, we can see and understand that t=
he
>>> actual location of the entry wound, and the path of the bullet throug=
h his
>>> upper body and out his lower anterior neck area, indeed does line up =
with
>>> the approximate 17 degree downward trajectory of the Warren Commissio=
n
>>> exhibit 399 bullet fired at around Z-223 from the easternmost window =
of
>>> the TSBD sixth floor sniper's nest.
>>> And one final thought: If conspiracists want to respond by saying tha=
t
>>> because they don't see a pronounced curve in Kennedy's upper back in
>>> photos and film, therefore it didn't exist, this would be
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