On Apr 30, 12:20=A0am, jfk2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> On Apr 28, 9:27=A0pm, Rudy Lasparri <Rudy...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > Martin Shackelford wrote:
> > > from J: Other researchers have talked to Dr. Mirand, who said the
> > > dismissal was because of violating a housing regulation (on Aug.
25th)=
.. =A0
> > > Here is my statement concerning these matters:
>
> > > Statement by Judyth Vary Baker, April 26, 2008
>
> > > The Indiana Biological Association was an organization of doctors
and
> > > scientists in Indianapolis organized for the purpose of attracting
you=
ng
> > > scientists to study the biological sciences in Indiana. =A0This was
my=
home
> > > state, so I was included in their lobbying efforts. They met me at
the=
> > > International Science and Engineering Fair in Indianapolis and
helped =
put
> > > together a scholar****p package for me.
>
> > > I next met with members of that association at Notre Dame
University, =
at
> > > the beginning of the second week of October, 1961, where I presented
m=
y
> > > paper on melanogenesis, at their invitation. =A0My aunt drove me
there=
, as
> > > she lived nearby. =A0She drove me back to St. Francis the next day.
My=
> > > family in that area -- cousins-- still remember my one-day visit
there=
..
> > > The association had contacted Mrs. Georgia Watkins of the Florida
ACS,=
and
> > > local newspapers, on October 5, 1961, a few ays earlier, as it was
> > > considered good publicity for the American Cancer Society. Articles
ab=
out
> > > the paper to be presented to the association reached the papers on
the=
> > > 6th. =A0The doctors then contacted st. Francis and recommended my
atte=
ndance
> > > at the Academy of Science conference at Terre Haute. St. Francis was
g=
iven
> > > funds to drive me up to Terre Haute: three nuns did so. =A0This is
the=
> > > conference where a researcher found a record of the paper --- the
seco=
nd
> > > time, not the first time -- that it was presented, in mid-October.
>
> > > Mrs. Georgia Watkins referred to the IBA meeting in a newspaper
articl=
e
> > > dated October 6, and to my presentation of a paper to that
organizatio=
n in
> > > a letter to me a week later, whereas this second presentation was
held=
at
> > > in mid-October. =A0At that time, Sister Claire was a co-presenter
beca=
use I
> > > had established my lab at St. Francis only six weeks earlier, and
she =
had
> > > vetted my new work. =A0The title of the paper I presented at the
Acade=
my
> > > bespeaks of the advanced level of my work, which even after
forty-five=
> > > years would be impossible for a layman to understand. =A0I presented
e=
very
> > > word of it personally.
>
> > > I previously didn't mention the Terre Haute experience because I
could=
n't
> > > remember enough details, and had no do***ents to prove it. This was
> > > because that same day, after hours of discussion with the three nuns
w=
hile
> > > on the long car trip to and from Terre Haute, I agreed to become a
nun=
,
> > > and this decision overwhelmed memories of the conference experience
th=
ere.
> > > Two weeks later, my parents, upset over my decision, removed me at
> > > midnight on October 31st, in their haste taking a room-mate's
clothes,=
and
> > > leaving behind all my money, do***ents, papers, and the precious
melan=
oma
> > > cancer cells, and SV40 virus cultures I'd been working on. =A0My
paren=
ts
> > > refused mail contact with St. Francis, and I was unable to get the
pap=
er
> > > published: in the journal, for publication wasn't guaranteed until
it =
was
> > > submitted for reviews, but that was now impossible.
>
> > > In 1999, I tried to locate the paper without success, and thank Barb
J=
..
> > > for finding a record of its presentation, actually the second time
it =
was
> > > presented. =A0I also learned in 1999 that the Indiana Biological
Assoc=
iation
> > > was no longer in existence, or had changed its name. Created to
attrac=
t
> > > biology students to Indiana, most likely it would be called a lobby
to=
day.
> > > One of its members was a scientist from Eli Lilly's at Fort Wayne,
> > > Indiana. I had already given his name to researchers previously, as
> > > sup****ting my research while at St. rancis College.
>
> > > As to Dr. Mirand's statement that I was dismissed from the Roswell
sum=
mer
> > > program due to a housing violation, Dr. Moore intervened, and I was
ke=
pt
> > > on, without a word. =A0I never saw nor signed any dismissal papers.
>
> >
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> > And yet =A045+ years ago there still are records of the dismissal!
>
> >
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> Interesting that a furor of controversy and probably envy surrounded
> Judyth for that long as well.
What "controversy" and what "envy?" Can you be specific?
>
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> > =A0 I had
>
> > > moved from the "Y" the final week of the program because I was
isolate=
d,
> > > even though Dr. Mirand said there were 9 girls at the "Y" -- I saw
non=
e of
> > > them. Besides, I worked in Dr. Moore's private lab, separate from
thos=
e
> > > who worked on lower floors in the building, or in bigger labs. =A0I
al=
so
> > > needed some sleep, which I wasn't getting at the "Y.". =A0Across
from =
my
> > > room, a woman had nightly epileptic seizures due to her brain
cancer, =
and
> > > I spent about an hour every night with a stick between her jaws.
=A0Th=
e
> > > woman next to her was a black opera singer dying of throat cancer,
who=
se
> > > groans kept me awake. =A0A friend told me about a room near campus
whe=
re I
> > > felt I could get a decent night's sleep.
>
> > > I moved there for the final week of Aug. 25-Sept. 1st, but before I
sp=
ent
> > > a single night there, Dr. Mirand arrived, white-faced and upset.
=A0I =
didn't
> > > have funds for the week of Aug. 25-Sept. 1st, as the landlord kept
the=
> > > money, so Dr. Mirand accessed a special fund to pay the bill for the
f=
inal
> > > week of Aug. 25-Sept. 1st. =A0I kept the receipt as a souvenir of
his
> > > generosity, and because of the private fund's number written on the
> > > receipt, which I tought interesing. Dr. Mirand was angry with me,
yes,=
and
> > > rumors spread that I was in the doghouse over the incident, but
> > > nevertheless I presented my paper on August 31st - as did others in
th=
e
> > > program-and he grudgingly praised the paper. =A0It's possible Dr.
Moor=
e may
> > > have intervened to keep me in the program. Or, being a very kind
man, =
Dr.
> > > Moore may have decided not to tell me that Dr. Mirand dismissed me
fro=
m
> > > the program so close to the finish. =A0My work was too im****tant to
si=
mply
> > > drop, and I ended up receiving awards, including a $1,300 stipend
from=
NSF
> > > funds provided to the program.
>
> > > Dr. Moore remained in contact with me until I went to New Orleans in
1=
963,
> > > and authorized some standard lab equipment to be sent to St. Francis
> > > College in September, including 200 plastic flasks for tissue
culture
> > > purposes. =A0I hope that Dr. Mirand will look into the records, as I
w=
as
> > > never told I was dismissed from the program, nor did I ever sign any
> > > release papers at any time. =A0I apologize for any inconveniences
this=
has
> > > caused Dr. Mirand, who has done so much for so many students in
cancer=
> > > research. =A0Judyth Vary Baker
>
> > > 2) Reily Co. told her that the green gl***** were only offered as
prem=
iums
> > > in 1959-60.
>
> > > Question: how would I have known that green gl***** were EVER
offered =
as
> > > premiums by Reily? =A0Pure guesswork? =A0Bob Vernon is on record as
go=
ing a
> > > few years ago to Wm. B. Reily and giving him a heads-up about me.
=A0I=
t is
> > > then easy to claim that green gl***** weren't sent out as premiums
in
> > > mid-1963, only earlier. =A0Just as the 'error' saying I was at
Roswell=
in
> > > 1962, this seems another convenient 'error.' Once again, how would I
h=
ave
> > > known about green gl***** as premiums, especially three or four
years
> > > earlier? =A0Nobody ever brought out such a detail. =A0Go ahead, take
t=
he
> > > company's word for it, but common sense should tell you that
actually
> > > admitting such a premium existed at all goes far.
>
> > > 3) She found do***ents indicating that the Russian course couldn't
hav=
e
> > > been created for you, that it was in existence from an earlier time.
>
> > > I think I was enrolled in Dr. T Concevitch's MJC class in Fall of
1960=
,
> > > and later audited the class, when I could, in 1961. =A0But in
1959,196=
0, and
> > > 1961, I was being sent around to help raise funds for the new
technolo=
gy
> > > building at Manatee High School, and our science projects. Some
newspa=
per
> > > articles exist mentioning my work to raise such funds. Since this
had
> > > nothing to do with research, I haven't made those articles public.
=A0=
I was
> > > missing a lot of school, though, and when I was at the Sarasota Air
Fo=
rce
> > > base at a luncheon, in 1959,
>
> >
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>
> > Exactly which AFB was that? =A0In 1970 I was assigned to MacDill AFB
whi=
ch
> > was (and still is) located on the southernmost tip of the Tampa
peninsul=
a.
> > I was quite aware of all the AFBs in Florida -- I don't recall there
bei=
ng
> > one in Sarasota which is a bit south of Tampa.
>
> >
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> > I was asked by the retired officers there to
>
> > > learn Russian. They wanted me to read re****ts on science progress in
t=
he
> > > USSR.
> > > =A0 =A0 Col. Doyle brought up the suject t them because David Tracy
an=
d Dave
> > > Deitrich, at Manatee County High School (then so named) were
pu****ng,
> > > along with me, for Russian cl***** at our high school. =A0Dave
Deitric=
h is
> > > now a lawyer who can be contacted to verify that he helped lobby not
o=
nly
> > > for the science seminar to be created, but also for Russian to be
taug=
ht. =A0
> > > The three of us got the science Seminar, but not the high school
Russi=
an
> > > cl*****, as we simply didn't have enough electives time for both.
=A0
> > > Deitrich and Tracy went on to enroll in Russian at the University of
> > > Florida, which is on record. =A0I think Dave Tracy minored in
Russian.=
> > > =A0 =A0Back in 1959, I said I'd be happy to study Russian if they
woul=
d find
> > > me a teacher who could teach the class at night. =A0I believe they
loc=
ated
> > > Dr. Concevitch, who was teaching cl***** in an extension program,
poss=
ibly
> > > with New College, and got him to start teaching at Manatee Jr.
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