Re: JFK, Addison's Disease, Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome, and the

tomnln wrote: "I've asked you this before;
WHERE can I find Proof of JFK's "cortisone" use?"

A member of his family, like Caroline (Good luck on that one), or his 
medical records, if you can get a hold of them, which you can't because 
they're confidential. However, I first heard about his cortisone use in a 
do***entary on Kennedy, and I'm sure it's in books and literature on him. 
I'm looking as to the latter.

Cortisone is the *only* treatment for Addison's because Addison's stops 
the endocrine flow in the body, with death resulting if not treated.

It's called inferring. We can infer Kennedy took large doses of cortisone 
because he suffered from Addison's, therefore he had osteo****osis, 
therefore, Cu****ng's syndrome and Kyphosis.

Read this:
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Hormones_cortisone?Open

James

"tomnln" <tomnln@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Jas" <jstell1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> thaliacole wrote: "How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who 
>> stated/testified that Kennedy had a small entrance wound in his throat 
>> when he was brought in after the shooting."
>>
>> The Parkland doctors were trauma doctors pressed for time and occupied 
>> with saving Kennedy's life. Noting wounds on Kennedy's body, and going 
>> into detailed examination was impossible and only cursory at best. They

>> neither had the time nor the authority to go any further with any 
>> examination. The autopsy pathologists were the ones to do that at the 
>> autopsy at Bethesda.
>>
>> thaliacole also wrote: "The simplest explanation for the strange 
>> anomolies in Kennedy's wounds is that he was, in fact, shot from both
the 
>> front and back. Easy! You do get an award for coming up with the
silliest 
>> explanation for the discrepencies I have heard so far!"
>>
>> Why, thank you for that. How nice of you. I'll tell you this much, and 
>> this is all I'll tell you so as not to waste any more of my time -- my 
>> ideas make a whole lot more sense than your "he was shot in the throat
by 
>> a flechette" statement.
>>
>> Your statement doesn't even deserve a response, except, "good grief
man, 
>> get a grip."
>>
>> And, by the way, what in the world does your point have to do with the 
>> curvature of Kennedy's upper back due to cortisone use sup****ting the 
>> SBT? If you want to spout off about your "flechette," start your own 
>> thread.
>>
>> James
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> I've asked you this before;
> WHERE can I find Proof of JFK's "cortisone" use?
>
> HOW would cortisone effect JFK's ****rt?
> HOW would cortisone effect JFK's jacket?
> HOW would cortisone effect the autopsy face ****rt?
> HOW would cortisone effect S S Agent Glenn Bennett's testimony?
> HOW would cortisone effect  Dr. Burkley's observances?
> HOW would cortisone effect Dallas Dr's observances?
> HOW would cortisone effect Dallas medical staff's observances?
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>> <thaliacole@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Apr 27, 9:25 am, "Jas" <jste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> As we know, there's a lot of controversy stirred up by conspiracists 
>>> over
>>> Kennedy's back wound location and whether a single bullet fired by 
>>> Oswald
>>> from the sixth floor TSBD could pass through and out his lower
anterior
>>> neck, (if, according to them, it p***** out at all), and goes on
through
>>> Connally, through his right wrist, into his left leg, and ending up on
a
>>> stretcher at Parkland Hospital -- the Single Bullet Theory, CE 399.
>>> Conspiracists maintain that the upper body bullet trajectory isn't on
a
>>> downward path because the exit wound in the lower throat is higher
than
>>> the upper back, therefore another bullet hit Kennedy in the throat
from
>>> the front, and they say the autopsists found the bullet hole in 
>>> Kennedy's
>>> upper back positioned lower on his back than the Warren Commission
did.
>>>
>>> Conspiracists also say that the bullet hit Kennedy lower than the
Warren
>>> Commission and its defenders say it did, because the bullet holes in
his
>>> ****rt and jacket are lower than the Commission said, therefore it was
a
>>> shot from somewhere other than the TSBD, possibly the Dal-Tex
building.
>>> They say this can be proven by where his ****rt and jacket were located

>>> on
>>> his back -- "bunched up," or "not bunched up" -- at the time of the CE

>>> 399
>>> shot at around Z-223.
>>>
>>> For conspiracists to use these perceived viewpoints as "evidence" or 
>>> proof
>>> of other shooters in Dealey Plaza in trying to prove the SBT invalid,
is
>>> wrong. Other than the fact that there were indeed mistakes, changes,
and
>>> some confusion in the autopsists re****ts and testimonies regarding the
>>> actual location of the upper back bullet hole, I feel the reason for
the
>>> confusion was not because of a cover-up and conspiracy, but because of
a
>>> condition I believe Kennedy suffered from known as Iatrogenic
Cu****ng's
>>> Syndrome.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I can't verify this by citing re****ts and do***ents 
>>> because
>>> I don't have access to Kennedy's confidential medical records, nor do
I
>>> have charts and diagrams with the actual mathematical measurements of 
>>> the
>>> curves of his spine while he is sitting in the back seat of his limo, 
>>> the
>>> likes of which I highly doubt were done by his doctors in the first 
>>> place.
>>> But from Kennedy's known medical condition and certain known medical
>>> facts, I can draw a solid inference that he suffered from this
disorder,
>>> and that this can help to understand how the SBT can, and does, work.
>>>
>>> What I do have is the known fact that Kennedy suffered from Addison's
>>> Disease, had for many years and indeed almost died from it, and the
fact
>>> that he was prescribed large doses of cortisone to treat it. I also
have
>>> the known medical fact that intake of large doses of cortisone, over 
>>> time,
>>> causes osteo****osis and a condition known as Iatrogenic Cu****ng's
>>> Syndrome, an exaggerated outward curving of the upper spine and
forward
>>> positioning of the chest, head and neck area (also called Kyphosis).
>>>
>>> For detailed information on this medical condition, please refer to
the
>>> two article links below, and/or Google "Osteo****osis, Iatrogenic 
>>> Cu****ng's
>>> Syndrome, Addison's Disease, Steroid use, Kyphosis" and/or any 
>>> combination
>>> of similar key words:
>>>
>>>
http://upmc.com/Services/MinimallyInvasiveendoNeurosurgeryCenter/Cond...
>>>
>>>
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Hormon...
>>>
>>> This medical condition, with the way it caused Kennedy's upper body to

>>> be
>>> rounded and angled forward with the anatomical "pu****ng forward" of
his
>>> upper spine, upper chest, and head and neck, helps to place his lower
>>> anterior neck where the exit wound was, *below* the upper back, and in
>>> line with the SBT shot at around Z-223.
>>>
>>> I believe this medical condition is one of the most under researched
(if
>>> at all researched), but nevertheless im****tant, keys to understanding 
>>> the
>>> SBT and how the bullet enters and p***** through Kennedy's upper back 
>>> and
>>> exits where the Warren Commission said it did. I also believe this is 
>>> why
>>> there was some confusion as to the placement of the actual wound on 
>>> charts
>>> by the autopsists, and that measurements made from the mastoid process
>>> behind the right ear may have muddled a way to determine the exact
>>> location when comparing it to the rest of Kennedy's upper back. In
other
>>> words, in the confusion, and in hastily fini****ng the autopsy because 
>>> the
>>> Kennedy family (especially Mrs. Kennedy) didn't want to leave Bethesda
>>> without the body, pathologists were simply mistaken in thinking the 
>>> bullet
>>> hole might have been located at vertebra T3 or thereabouts because,
due 
>>> to
>>> Kennedy's exaggerated spine curvature, T3 would appear higher on 
>>> Kennedy's
>>> spine than on a normal spine. And, in the years since the
assassination
>>> and with subsequent investigations such as the HSCA, the reason why 
>>> there
>>> remains some confusion as to the actual placement of the bullet hole
is
>>> because pathologists still have to rely on these hastily drawn charts,
>>> diagrams, and autopsy photos to try to re-determine where the bullet 
>>> hole
>>> was located. And, of course, this confusion carries over to
researchers
>>> studying the assassination and is the reason for the ongoing 
>>> controversy.
>>>
>>> So, if one measures the distance from the mastoid process behind 
>>> Kennedy's
>>> right ear to the bullet hole, as was actually done at the autopsy, 
>>> because
>>> of the exaggerated curvature of his upper spine placing his head and 
>>> neck
>>> in a more forward position than a normal person, that distance is
going 
>>> to
>>> be deceiving, even to a trained pathologist pressed for time, when
>>> compared to measuring a more flat, straighter neck and upper spine.
>>>
>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome can also help explain why the bullet
holes
>>> in Kennedy's ****rt and jacket don't line up exactly with the actual 
>>> bullet
>>> hole in his upper back, and why they may be further down:
>>>
>>> How ****rts and jackets are generally tailored, the way they drape over

>>> the
>>> upper back from the collar on down on normal people (who, by the way, 
>>> all
>>> have outward curves in their upper spines, though not as exaggerated
as 
>>> in
>>> people with Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome) and compensating for the
>>> exaggerated curve in Kennedy's upper spine -- this curve's rounded
>>> measurement adding distance to the measurement of the ****rt and jacket
>>> fabric -- is why when we see pictures of his bloody ****rt and jacket
>>> hanging straight down as opposed to being actually worn on him, and
when
>>> measured from the collar straight down -- without the spinal curve -- 

>>> the
>>> holes in the ****rt and jacket appear lower.
>>>
>>> So to sum: Because Kennedy was not sitting straight up in the limo,
his
>>> spine not on a completely vertical line at the time of the shot, and 
>>> that
>>> he was slumped forward a bit not only because he sat that way normally

>>> as
>>> some people do, (some more than others), but also because he was 
>>> suffering
>>> from Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome that caused his upper chest, head, 
>>> and
>>> neck area to slump forward somewhat, we can see and understand that
the
>>> actual location of the entry wound, and the path of the bullet through

>>> his
>>> upper body and out his lower anterior neck area, indeed does line up 
>>> with
>>> the approximate 17 degree downward trajectory of the Warren Commission
>>> exhibit 399 bullet fired at around Z-223 from the easternmost window
of
>>> the TSBD sixth floor sniper's nest.
>>>
>>> And one final thought: If conspiracists want to respond by saying that
>>> because they don't see a pronounced curve in Kennedy's upper back in
>>> photos and film, therefore it didn't exist, this would be incorrect.
>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome is a real medical condition and is the
>>> result of taking large doses of cortisone over long periods of time in

>>> the
>>> treatment of Addison's Disease. In other words, although in Kennedy's 
>>> case
>>> any Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome information is not publicly known
and 
>>> is
>>> quite possibly undo***ented by his doctors (as far as I know), we can
>>> safely infer that Kennedy did in fact suffer from Iatrogenic Cu****ng's
>>> Syndrome because he, in fact, took large doses of cortisone for 
>>> treatment
>>> of his Addison's Disease.
>>>
>>> James
>>
>> The simplest explanation for the strange anomolies in Kennedy's wounds
is 
>> that he was, in fact, shot from both the front and back. Easy! You do
get 
>> an award for coming up with the silliest explanation for the 
>> discrepencies I have heard so far! Looking on the bright side, at least

>> you are acknowledging that there IS a discrepency in the wounds that
has 
>> not been satisfactorily explained by Lone Nut theorists.
>>
>> How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who stated/testified that
Kennedy 
>> had a small entrance wound in his throat when he was brought in after
the 
>> shooting. Here is a quote by Dr Perry (who performed the tracheotomy) -

>> the throat wound "was a very small injury, with clearcut, although 
>> somewhat irregular margins of less than a quarter inch with minimal 
>> tissue damage surrounding it on the skin." Dr Charles Baxter: the wound

>> in the throat "was no more than a pinpoint. It was made by a small 
>> caliber weapon. And it was an entry wound."
>>
>> My own opinion, sure to be ridiculed by the lone nut brigade I'm sure,
is 
>> that he was shot in the throat by a flechette (just as he passed
umbrella 
>> man) This rendered him unable to move (as you see in the Zapruder film
- 
>> his injuries up until that point would not have caused him to react the

>> way he did) The poison was untraceable, and explains why the doctors
and 
>> nurses at Parkland all described the small entrance wound in Kennedy's 
>> throat, and the lack of corresponding exit wound in the back of his
neck, 
>> along with no recovered bullet.
>>
>>
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