Re: JFK, Addison's Disease, Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome, and the

Jas wrote:
> tomnln wrote: "I've asked you this before;
> WHERE can I find Proof of JFK's "cortisone" use?"
> 
> A member of his family, like Caroline (Good luck on that one), or his 
> medical records, if you can get a hold of them, which you can't because 
> they're confidential. However, I first heard about his cortisone use in 
> a do***entary on Kennedy, and I'm sure it's in books and literature on 
> him. I'm looking as to the latter.
> 

Make sure that you have read Robert Dallek's article in the December 
2002 Atlantic Monthly:

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/12/dallek.htm


> Cortisone is the *only* treatment for Addison's because Addison's stops 
> the endocrine flow in the body, with death resulting if not treated.
> 
> It's called inferring. We can infer Kennedy took large doses of 
> cortisone because he suffered from Addison's, therefore he had 
> osteo****osis, therefore, Cu****ng's syndrome and Kyphosis.
> 
> Read this:
>
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Hormones_cortisone?Open

> 
> 
> James
> 
> "tomnln" <tomnln@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>> "Jas" <jstell1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>>> thaliacole wrote: "How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who 
>>> stated/testified that Kennedy had a small entrance wound in his 
>>> throat when he was brought in after the shooting."
>>>
>>> The Parkland doctors were trauma doctors pressed for time and 
>>> occupied with saving Kennedy's life. Noting wounds on Kennedy's body, 
>>> and going into detailed examination was impossible and only cursory 
>>> at best. They neither had the time nor the authority to go any 
>>> further with any examination. The autopsy pathologists were the ones 
>>> to do that at the autopsy at Bethesda.
>>>
>>> thaliacole also wrote: "The simplest explanation for the strange 
>>> anomolies in Kennedy's wounds is that he was, in fact, shot from both 
>>> the front and back. Easy! You do get an award for coming up with the 
>>> silliest explanation for the discrepencies I have heard so far!"
>>>
>>> Why, thank you for that. How nice of you. I'll tell you this much, 
>>> and this is all I'll tell you so as not to waste any more of my time 
>>> -- my ideas make a whole lot more sense than your "he was shot in the 
>>> throat by a flechette" statement.
>>>
>>> Your statement doesn't even deserve a response, except, "good grief 
>>> man, get a grip."
>>>
>>> And, by the way, what in the world does your point have to do with 
>>> the curvature of Kennedy's upper back due to cortisone use sup****ting 
>>> the SBT? If you want to spout off about your "flechette," start your 
>>> own thread.
>>>
>>> James
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>> I've asked you this before;
>> WHERE can I find Proof of JFK's "cortisone" use?
>>
>> HOW would cortisone effect JFK's ****rt?
>> HOW would cortisone effect JFK's jacket?
>> HOW would cortisone effect the autopsy face ****rt?
>> HOW would cortisone effect S S Agent Glenn Bennett's testimony?
>> HOW would cortisone effect  Dr. Burkley's observances?
>> HOW would cortisone effect Dallas Dr's observances?
>> HOW would cortisone effect Dallas medical staff's observances?
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>>> <thaliacole@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Apr 27, 9:25 am, "Jas" <jste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> As we know, there's a lot of controversy stirred up by conspiracists 
>>>> over
>>>> Kennedy's back wound location and whether a single bullet fired by 
>>>> Oswald
>>>> from the sixth floor TSBD could pass through and out his lower
anterior
>>>> neck, (if, according to them, it p***** out at all), and goes on 
>>>> through
>>>> Connally, through his right wrist, into his left leg, and ending up 
>>>> on a
>>>> stretcher at Parkland Hospital -- the Single Bullet Theory, CE 399.
>>>> Conspiracists maintain that the upper body bullet trajectory isn't on
a
>>>> downward path because the exit wound in the lower throat is higher
than
>>>> the upper back, therefore another bullet hit Kennedy in the throat
from
>>>> the front, and they say the autopsists found the bullet hole in 
>>>> Kennedy's
>>>> upper back positioned lower on his back than the Warren Commission
did.
>>>>
>>>> Conspiracists also say that the bullet hit Kennedy lower than the 
>>>> Warren
>>>> Commission and its defenders say it did, because the bullet holes in 
>>>> his
>>>> ****rt and jacket are lower than the Commission said, therefore it was
a
>>>> shot from somewhere other than the TSBD, possibly the Dal-Tex
building.
>>>> They say this can be proven by where his ****rt and jacket were 
>>>> located on
>>>> his back -- "bunched up," or "not bunched up" -- at the time of the 
>>>> CE 399
>>>> shot at around Z-223.
>>>>
>>>> For conspiracists to use these perceived viewpoints as "evidence" or 
>>>> proof
>>>> of other shooters in Dealey Plaza in trying to prove the SBT 
>>>> invalid, is
>>>> wrong. Other than the fact that there were indeed mistakes, changes, 
>>>> and
>>>> some confusion in the autopsists re****ts and testimonies regarding
the
>>>> actual location of the upper back bullet hole, I feel the reason for 
>>>> the
>>>> confusion was not because of a cover-up and conspiracy, but because 
>>>> of a
>>>> condition I believe Kennedy suffered from known as Iatrogenic
Cu****ng's
>>>> Syndrome.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I can't verify this by citing re****ts and do***ents 
>>>> because
>>>> I don't have access to Kennedy's confidential medical records, nor do
I
>>>> have charts and diagrams with the actual mathematical measurements 
>>>> of the
>>>> curves of his spine while he is sitting in the back seat of his 
>>>> limo, the
>>>> likes of which I highly doubt were done by his doctors in the first 
>>>> place.
>>>> But from Kennedy's known medical condition and certain known medical
>>>> facts, I can draw a solid inference that he suffered from this 
>>>> disorder,
>>>> and that this can help to understand how the SBT can, and does, work.
>>>>
>>>> What I do have is the known fact that Kennedy suffered from Addison's
>>>> Disease, had for many years and indeed almost died from it, and the 
>>>> fact
>>>> that he was prescribed large doses of cortisone to treat it. I also 
>>>> have
>>>> the known medical fact that intake of large doses of cortisone, over 
>>>> time,
>>>> causes osteo****osis and a condition known as Iatrogenic Cu****ng's
>>>> Syndrome, an exaggerated outward curving of the upper spine and
forward
>>>> positioning of the chest, head and neck area (also called Kyphosis).
>>>>
>>>> For detailed information on this medical condition, please refer to
the
>>>> two article links below, and/or Google "Osteo****osis, Iatrogenic 
>>>> Cu****ng's
>>>> Syndrome, Addison's Disease, Steroid use, Kyphosis" and/or any 
>>>> combination
>>>> of similar key words:
>>>>
>>>>
http://upmc.com/Services/MinimallyInvasiveendoNeurosurgeryCenter/Cond...

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Hormon...

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This medical condition, with the way it caused Kennedy's upper body 
>>>> to be
>>>> rounded and angled forward with the anatomical "pu****ng forward" of
his
>>>> upper spine, upper chest, and head and neck, helps to place his lower
>>>> anterior neck where the exit wound was, *below* the upper back, and
in
>>>> line with the SBT shot at around Z-223.
>>>>
>>>> I believe this medical condition is one of the most under researched 
>>>> (if
>>>> at all researched), but nevertheless im****tant, keys to 
>>>> understanding the
>>>> SBT and how the bullet enters and p***** through Kennedy's upper 
>>>> back and
>>>> exits where the Warren Commission said it did. I also believe this 
>>>> is why
>>>> there was some confusion as to the placement of the actual wound on 
>>>> charts
>>>> by the autopsists, and that measurements made from the mastoid
process
>>>> behind the right ear may have muddled a way to determine the exact
>>>> location when comparing it to the rest of Kennedy's upper back. In 
>>>> other
>>>> words, in the confusion, and in hastily fini****ng the autopsy 
>>>> because the
>>>> Kennedy family (especially Mrs. Kennedy) didn't want to leave
Bethesda
>>>> without the body, pathologists were simply mistaken in thinking the 
>>>> bullet
>>>> hole might have been located at vertebra T3 or thereabouts because, 
>>>> due to
>>>> Kennedy's exaggerated spine curvature, T3 would appear higher on 
>>>> Kennedy's
>>>> spine than on a normal spine. And, in the years since the
assassination
>>>> and with subsequent investigations such as the HSCA, the reason why 
>>>> there
>>>> remains some confusion as to the actual placement of the bullet hole
is
>>>> because pathologists still have to rely on these hastily drawn
charts,
>>>> diagrams, and autopsy photos to try to re-determine where the bullet 
>>>> hole
>>>> was located. And, of course, this confusion carries over to
researchers
>>>> studying the assassination and is the reason for the ongoing 
>>>> controversy.
>>>>
>>>> So, if one measures the distance from the mastoid process behind 
>>>> Kennedy's
>>>> right ear to the bullet hole, as was actually done at the autopsy, 
>>>> because
>>>> of the exaggerated curvature of his upper spine placing his head and 
>>>> neck
>>>> in a more forward position than a normal person, that distance is 
>>>> going to
>>>> be deceiving, even to a trained pathologist pressed for time, when
>>>> compared to measuring a more flat, straighter neck and upper spine.
>>>>
>>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome can also help explain why the bullet 
>>>> holes
>>>> in Kennedy's ****rt and jacket don't line up exactly with the actual 
>>>> bullet
>>>> hole in his upper back, and why they may be further down:
>>>>
>>>> How ****rts and jackets are generally tailored, the way they drape 
>>>> over the
>>>> upper back from the collar on down on normal people (who, by the 
>>>> way, all
>>>> have outward curves in their upper spines, though not as exaggerated 
>>>> as in
>>>> people with Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome) and compensating for the
>>>> exaggerated curve in Kennedy's upper spine -- this curve's rounded
>>>> measurement adding distance to the measurement of the ****rt and
jacket
>>>> fabric -- is why when we see pictures of his bloody ****rt and jacket
>>>> hanging straight down as opposed to being actually worn on him, and 
>>>> when
>>>> measured from the collar straight down -- without the spinal curve 
>>>> --  the
>>>> holes in the ****rt and jacket appear lower.
>>>>
>>>> So to sum: Because Kennedy was not sitting straight up in the limo,
his
>>>> spine not on a completely vertical line at the time of the shot, and 
>>>> that
>>>> he was slumped forward a bit not only because he sat that way 
>>>> normally as
>>>> some people do, (some more than others), but also because he was 
>>>> suffering
>>>> from Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome that caused his upper chest, 
>>>> head, and
>>>> neck area to slump forward somewhat, we can see and understand that
the
>>>> actual location of the entry wound, and the path of the bullet 
>>>> through his
>>>> upper body and out his lower anterior neck area, indeed does line up 
>>>> with
>>>> the approximate 17 degree downward trajectory of the Warren
Commission
>>>> exhibit 399 bullet fired at around Z-223 from the easternmost window
of
>>>> the TSBD sixth floor sniper's nest.
>>>>
>>>> And one final thought: If conspiracists want to respond by saying
that
>>>> because they don't see a pronounced curve in Kennedy's upper back in
>>>> photos and film, therefore it didn't exist, this would be incorrect.
>>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome is a real medical condition and is the
>>>> result of taking large doses of cortisone over long periods of time 
>>>> in the
>>>> treatment of Addison's Disease. In other words, although in 
>>>> Kennedy's case
>>>> any Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome information is not publicly known 
>>>> and is
>>>> quite possibly undo***ented by his doctors (as far as I know), we can
>>>> safely infer that Kennedy did in fact suffer from Iatrogenic
Cu****ng's
>>>> Syndrome because he, in fact, took large doses of cortisone for 
>>>> treatment
>>>> of his Addison's Disease.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>
>>> The simplest explanation for the strange anomolies in Kennedy's 
>>> wounds is that he was, in fact, shot from both the front and back. 
>>> Easy! You do get an award for coming up with the silliest explanation 
>>> for the discrepencies I have heard so far! Looking on the bright 
>>> side, at least you are acknowledging that there IS a discrepency in 
>>> the wounds that has not been satisfactorily explained by Lone Nut 
>>> theorists.
>>>
>>> How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who stated/testified that 
>>> Kennedy had a small entrance wound in his throat when he was brought 
>>> in after the shooting. Here is a quote by Dr Perry (who performed the 
>>> tracheotomy) - the throat wound "was a very small injury, with 
>>> clearcut, although somewhat irregular margins of less than a quarter 
>>> inch with minimal tissue damage surrounding it on the skin." Dr 
>>> Charles Baxter: the wound in the throat "was no more than a pinpoint. 
>>> It was made by a small caliber weapon. And it was an entry wound."
>>>
>>> My own opinion, sure to be ridiculed by the lone nut brigade I'm 
>>> sure, is that he was shot in the throat by a flechette (just as he 
>>> passed umbrella man) This rendered him unable to move (as you see in 
>>> the Zapruder film - his injuries up until that point would not have 
>>> caused him to react the way he did) The poison was untraceable, and 
>>> explains why the doctors and nurses at Parkland all described the 
>>> small entrance wound in Kennedy's throat, and the lack of 
>>> corresponding exit wound in the back of his neck, along with no 
>>> recovered bullet.
>>>
>>>
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