Re: JFK, Addison's Disease, Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome, and the

"Anthony Marsh" <anthony_marsh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> tomnln wrote:
>> Jas;
>>
>> The Parkland Dr.s handled an average of 1271 gunshot victime per year.
>>
>> Humnes/Boswell never performed an autopsy in their lives.
>>
>> Which ones do you think was better qualified to evaluate the Presidents

>> wounds?
>>
>
> The ER doctors did not evaluate the President's wounds. They were too
busy 
> trying to save his life. ER doctors routinely make mistakes about
gunshot 
> wounds.


Please PROVE that the Parkland Dr's were "mistaken"?

Then list the attributes of the Bethesda Dr's?




>> "Jas" <jstell1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>>> thaliacole wrote: "How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who 
>>> stated/testified that Kennedy had a small entrance wound in his throat

>>> when he was brought in after the shooting."
>>>
>>> The Parkland doctors were trauma doctors pressed for time and occupied

>>> with saving Kennedy's life. Noting wounds on Kennedy's body, and going

>>> into detailed examination was impossible and only cursory at best.
They 
>>> neither had the time nor the authority to go any further with any 
>>> examination. The autopsy pathologists were the ones to do that at the 
>>> autopsy at Bethesda.
>>>
>>> thaliacole also wrote: "The simplest explanation for the strange 
>>> anomolies in Kennedy's wounds is that he was, in fact, shot from both 
>>> the front and back. Easy! You do get an award for coming up with the 
>>> silliest explanation for the discrepencies I have heard so far!"
>>>
>>> Why, thank you for that. How nice of you. I'll tell you this much, and

>>> this is all I'll tell you so as not to waste any more of my time -- my

>>> ideas make a whole lot more sense than your "he was shot in the throat

>>> by a flechette" statement.
>>>
>>> Your statement doesn't even deserve a response, except, "good grief
man, 
>>> get a grip."
>>>
>>> And, by the way, what in the world does your point have to do with the

>>> curvature of Kennedy's upper back due to cortisone use sup****ting the 
>>> SBT? If you want to spout off about your "flechette," start your own 
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> <thaliacole@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>>>
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>>> On Apr 27, 9:25 am, "Jas" <jste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> As we know, there's a lot of controversy stirred up by conspiracists 
>>>> over
>>>> Kennedy's back wound location and whether a single bullet fired by 
>>>> Oswald
>>>> from the sixth floor TSBD could pass through and out his lower
anterior
>>>> neck, (if, according to them, it p***** out at all), and goes on 
>>>> through
>>>> Connally, through his right wrist, into his left leg, and ending up
on 
>>>> a
>>>> stretcher at Parkland Hospital -- the Single Bullet Theory, CE 399.
>>>> Conspiracists maintain that the upper body bullet trajectory isn't on
a
>>>> downward path because the exit wound in the lower throat is higher
than
>>>> the upper back, therefore another bullet hit Kennedy in the throat
from
>>>> the front, and they say the autopsists found the bullet hole in 
>>>> Kennedy's
>>>> upper back positioned lower on his back than the Warren Commission
did.
>>>>
>>>> Conspiracists also say that the bullet hit Kennedy lower than the 
>>>> Warren
>>>> Commission and its defenders say it did, because the bullet holes in 
>>>> his
>>>> ****rt and jacket are lower than the Commission said, therefore it was
a
>>>> shot from somewhere other than the TSBD, possibly the Dal-Tex
building.
>>>> They say this can be proven by where his ****rt and jacket were
located 
>>>> on
>>>> his back -- "bunched up," or "not bunched up" -- at the time of the
CE 
>>>> 399
>>>> shot at around Z-223.
>>>>
>>>> For conspiracists to use these perceived viewpoints as "evidence" or 
>>>> proof
>>>> of other shooters in Dealey Plaza in trying to prove the SBT invalid,

>>>> is
>>>> wrong. Other than the fact that there were indeed mistakes, changes, 
>>>> and
>>>> some confusion in the autopsists re****ts and testimonies regarding
the
>>>> actual location of the upper back bullet hole, I feel the reason for 
>>>> the
>>>> confusion was not because of a cover-up and conspiracy, but because
of 
>>>> a
>>>> condition I believe Kennedy suffered from known as Iatrogenic
Cu****ng's
>>>> Syndrome.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately I can't verify this by citing re****ts and do***ents 
>>>> because
>>>> I don't have access to Kennedy's confidential medical records, nor do
I
>>>> have charts and diagrams with the actual mathematical measurements of

>>>> the
>>>> curves of his spine while he is sitting in the back seat of his limo,

>>>> the
>>>> likes of which I highly doubt were done by his doctors in the first 
>>>> place.
>>>> But from Kennedy's known medical condition and certain known medical
>>>> facts, I can draw a solid inference that he suffered from this 
>>>> disorder,
>>>> and that this can help to understand how the SBT can, and does, work.
>>>>
>>>> What I do have is the known fact that Kennedy suffered from Addison's
>>>> Disease, had for many years and indeed almost died from it, and the 
>>>> fact
>>>> that he was prescribed large doses of cortisone to treat it. I also 
>>>> have
>>>> the known medical fact that intake of large doses of cortisone, over 
>>>> time,
>>>> causes osteo****osis and a condition known as Iatrogenic Cu****ng's
>>>> Syndrome, an exaggerated outward curving of the upper spine and
forward
>>>> positioning of the chest, head and neck area (also called Kyphosis).
>>>>
>>>> For detailed information on this medical condition, please refer to
the
>>>> two article links below, and/or Google "Osteo****osis, Iatrogenic 
>>>> Cu****ng's
>>>> Syndrome, Addison's Disease, Steroid use, Kyphosis" and/or any 
>>>> combination
>>>> of similar key words:
>>>>
>>>>
http://upmc.com/Services/MinimallyInvasiveendoNeurosurgeryCenter/Cond...
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Hormon...
>>>>
>>>> This medical condition, with the way it caused Kennedy's upper body
to 
>>>> be
>>>> rounded and angled forward with the anatomical "pu****ng forward" of
his
>>>> upper spine, upper chest, and head and neck, helps to place his lower
>>>> anterior neck where the exit wound was, *below* the upper back, and
in
>>>> line with the SBT shot at around Z-223.
>>>>
>>>> I believe this medical condition is one of the most under researched 
>>>> (if
>>>> at all researched), but nevertheless im****tant, keys to understanding

>>>> the
>>>> SBT and how the bullet enters and p***** through Kennedy's upper back

>>>> and
>>>> exits where the Warren Commission said it did. I also believe this is

>>>> why
>>>> there was some confusion as to the placement of the actual wound on 
>>>> charts
>>>> by the autopsists, and that measurements made from the mastoid
process
>>>> behind the right ear may have muddled a way to determine the exact
>>>> location when comparing it to the rest of Kennedy's upper back. In 
>>>> other
>>>> words, in the confusion, and in hastily fini****ng the autopsy because

>>>> the
>>>> Kennedy family (especially Mrs. Kennedy) didn't want to leave
Bethesda
>>>> without the body, pathologists were simply mistaken in thinking the 
>>>> bullet
>>>> hole might have been located at vertebra T3 or thereabouts because,
due 
>>>> to
>>>> Kennedy's exaggerated spine curvature, T3 would appear higher on 
>>>> Kennedy's
>>>> spine than on a normal spine. And, in the years since the
assassination
>>>> and with subsequent investigations such as the HSCA, the reason why 
>>>> there
>>>> remains some confusion as to the actual placement of the bullet hole
is
>>>> because pathologists still have to rely on these hastily drawn
charts,
>>>> diagrams, and autopsy photos to try to re-determine where the bullet 
>>>> hole
>>>> was located. And, of course, this confusion carries over to
researchers
>>>> studying the assassination and is the reason for the ongoing 
>>>> controversy.
>>>>
>>>> So, if one measures the distance from the mastoid process behind 
>>>> Kennedy's
>>>> right ear to the bullet hole, as was actually done at the autopsy, 
>>>> because
>>>> of the exaggerated curvature of his upper spine placing his head and 
>>>> neck
>>>> in a more forward position than a normal person, that distance is
going 
>>>> to
>>>> be deceiving, even to a trained pathologist pressed for time, when
>>>> compared to measuring a more flat, straighter neck and upper spine.
>>>>
>>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome can also help explain why the bullet 
>>>> holes
>>>> in Kennedy's ****rt and jacket don't line up exactly with the actual 
>>>> bullet
>>>> hole in his upper back, and why they may be further down:
>>>>
>>>> How ****rts and jackets are generally tailored, the way they drape
over 
>>>> the
>>>> upper back from the collar on down on normal people (who, by the way,

>>>> all
>>>> have outward curves in their upper spines, though not as exaggerated
as 
>>>> in
>>>> people with Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome) and compensating for the
>>>> exaggerated curve in Kennedy's upper spine -- this curve's rounded
>>>> measurement adding distance to the measurement of the ****rt and
jacket
>>>> fabric -- is why when we see pictures of his bloody ****rt and jacket
>>>> hanging straight down as opposed to being actually worn on him, and 
>>>> when
>>>> measured from the collar straight down -- without the spinal curve --

>>>> the
>>>> holes in the ****rt and jacket appear lower.
>>>>
>>>> So to sum: Because Kennedy was not sitting straight up in the limo,
his
>>>> spine not on a completely vertical line at the time of the shot, and 
>>>> that
>>>> he was slumped forward a bit not only because he sat that way
normally 
>>>> as
>>>> some people do, (some more than others), but also because he was 
>>>> suffering
>>>> from Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome that caused his upper chest, head,

>>>> and
>>>> neck area to slump forward somewhat, we can see and understand that
the
>>>> actual location of the entry wound, and the path of the bullet
through 
>>>> his
>>>> upper body and out his lower anterior neck area, indeed does line up 
>>>> with
>>>> the approximate 17 degree downward trajectory of the Warren
Commission
>>>> exhibit 399 bullet fired at around Z-223 from the easternmost window
of
>>>> the TSBD sixth floor sniper's nest.
>>>>
>>>> And one final thought: If conspiracists want to respond by saying
that
>>>> because they don't see a pronounced curve in Kennedy's upper back in
>>>> photos and film, therefore it didn't exist, this would be incorrect.
>>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome is a real medical condition and is the
>>>> result of taking large doses of cortisone over long periods of time
in 
>>>> the
>>>> treatment of Addison's Disease. In other words, although in Kennedy's

>>>> case
>>>> any Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome information is not publicly known
and 
>>>> is
>>>> quite possibly undo***ented by his doctors (as far as I know), we can
>>>> safely infer that Kennedy did in fact suffer from Iatrogenic
Cu****ng's
>>>> Syndrome because he, in fact, took large doses of cortisone for 
>>>> treatment
>>>> of his Addison's Disease.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>
>>> The simplest explanation for the strange anomolies in Kennedy's wounds

>>> is that he was, in fact, shot from both the front and back. Easy! You
do 
>>> get an award for coming up with the silliest explanation for the 
>>> discrepencies I have heard so far! Looking on the bright side, at
least 
>>> you are acknowledging that there IS a discrepency in the wounds that
has 
>>> not been satisfactorily explained by Lone Nut theorists.
>>>
>>> How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who stated/testified that 
>>> Kennedy had a small entrance wound in his throat when he was brought
in 
>>> after the shooting. Here is a quote by Dr Perry (who performed the 
>>> tracheotomy) - the throat wound "was a very small injury, with
clearcut, 
>>> although somewhat irregular margins of less than a quarter inch with 
>>> minimal tissue damage surrounding it on the skin." Dr Charles Baxter: 
>>> the wound in the throat "was no more than a pinpoint. It was made by a

>>> small caliber weapon. And it was an entry wound."
>>>
>>> My own opinion, sure to be ridiculed by the lone nut brigade I'm sure,

>>> is that he was shot in the throat by a flechette (just as he passed 
>>> umbrella man) This rendered him unable to move (as you see in the 
>>> Zapruder film - his injuries up until that point would not have caused

>>> him to react the way he did) The poison was untraceable, and explains 
>>> why the doctors and nurses at Parkland all described the small
entrance 
>>> wound in Kennedy's throat, and the lack of corresponding exit wound in

>>> the back of his neck, along with no recovered bullet.
>>>
>>>
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