Re: JFK, Addison's Disease, Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome, and the

tomnln wrote:
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> "Anthony Marsh" <anthony_marsh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> tomnln wrote:
>>> Jas;
>>>
>>> The Parkland Dr.s handled an average of 1271 gunshot victime per year.
>>>
>>> Humnes/Boswell never performed an autopsy in their lives.
>>>
>>> Which ones do you think was better qualified to evaluate the 
>>> Presidents wounds?
>>>
>>
>> The ER doctors did not evaluate the President's wounds. They were too 
>> busy trying to save his life. ER doctors routinely make mistakes about 
>> gunshot wounds.
> 
> 
> Please PROVE that the Parkland Dr's were "mistaken"?
> 

They admitted that they were mistaken. A small neat round wound does not 
prove it had to be an entrance wound. There is no reasonable path, exit, 
or bullet left in the body for it being an entrance. And no reasonable 
firing position at those early Zapruder frames.

> Then list the attributes of the Bethesda Dr's?
> 

Attributes? Tall, short, skinny, fat, young, old.

> 
> 
> 
>>> "Jas" <jstell1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>>>> thaliacole wrote: "How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who 
>>>> stated/testified that Kennedy had a small entrance wound in his 
>>>> throat when he was brought in after the shooting."
>>>>
>>>> The Parkland doctors were trauma doctors pressed for time and 
>>>> occupied with saving Kennedy's life. Noting wounds on Kennedy's 
>>>> body, and going into detailed examination was impossible and only 
>>>> cursory at best. They neither had the time nor the authority to go 
>>>> any further with any examination. The autopsy pathologists were the 
>>>> ones to do that at the autopsy at Bethesda.
>>>>
>>>> thaliacole also wrote: "The simplest explanation for the strange 
>>>> anomolies in Kennedy's wounds is that he was, in fact, shot from 
>>>> both the front and back. Easy! You do get an award for coming up 
>>>> with the silliest explanation for the discrepencies I have heard so 
>>>> far!"
>>>>
>>>> Why, thank you for that. How nice of you. I'll tell you this much, 
>>>> and this is all I'll tell you so as not to waste any more of my time 
>>>> -- my ideas make a whole lot more sense than your "he was shot in 
>>>> the throat by a flechette" statement.
>>>>
>>>> Your statement doesn't even deserve a response, except, "good grief 
>>>> man, get a grip."
>>>>
>>>> And, by the way, what in the world does your point have to do with 
>>>> the curvature of Kennedy's upper back due to cortisone use 
>>>> sup****ting the SBT? If you want to spout off about your "flechette," 
>>>> start your own thread.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> <thaliacole@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>
>>>> On Apr 27, 9:25 am, "Jas" <jste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> As we know, there's a lot of controversy stirred up by 
>>>>> conspiracists over
>>>>> Kennedy's back wound location and whether a single bullet fired by 
>>>>> Oswald
>>>>> from the sixth floor TSBD could pass through and out his lower 
>>>>> anterior
>>>>> neck, (if, according to them, it p***** out at all), and goes on 
>>>>> through
>>>>> Connally, through his right wrist, into his left leg, and ending up 
>>>>> on a
>>>>> stretcher at Parkland Hospital -- the Single Bullet Theory, CE 399.
>>>>> Conspiracists maintain that the upper body bullet trajectory isn't 
>>>>> on a
>>>>> downward path because the exit wound in the lower throat is higher 
>>>>> than
>>>>> the upper back, therefore another bullet hit Kennedy in the throat 
>>>>> from
>>>>> the front, and they say the autopsists found the bullet hole in 
>>>>> Kennedy's
>>>>> upper back positioned lower on his back than the Warren Commission 
>>>>> did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Conspiracists also say that the bullet hit Kennedy lower than the 
>>>>> Warren
>>>>> Commission and its defenders say it did, because the bullet holes 
>>>>> in his
>>>>> ****rt and jacket are lower than the Commission said, therefore it 
>>>>> was a
>>>>> shot from somewhere other than the TSBD, possibly the Dal-Tex 
>>>>> building.
>>>>> They say this can be proven by where his ****rt and jacket were 
>>>>> located on
>>>>> his back -- "bunched up," or "not bunched up" -- at the time of the 
>>>>> CE 399
>>>>> shot at around Z-223.
>>>>>
>>>>> For conspiracists to use these perceived viewpoints as "evidence" 
>>>>> or proof
>>>>> of other shooters in Dealey Plaza in trying to prove the SBT 
>>>>> invalid, is
>>>>> wrong. Other than the fact that there were indeed mistakes, 
>>>>> changes, and
>>>>> some confusion in the autopsists re****ts and testimonies regarding
the
>>>>> actual location of the upper back bullet hole, I feel the reason 
>>>>> for the
>>>>> confusion was not because of a cover-up and conspiracy, but because 
>>>>> of a
>>>>> condition I believe Kennedy suffered from known as Iatrogenic 
>>>>> Cu****ng's
>>>>> Syndrome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately I can't verify this by citing re****ts and do***ents 
>>>>> because
>>>>> I don't have access to Kennedy's confidential medical records, nor 
>>>>> do I
>>>>> have charts and diagrams with the actual mathematical measurements 
>>>>> of the
>>>>> curves of his spine while he is sitting in the back seat of his 
>>>>> limo, the
>>>>> likes of which I highly doubt were done by his doctors in the first 
>>>>> place.
>>>>> But from Kennedy's known medical condition and certain known medical
>>>>> facts, I can draw a solid inference that he suffered from this 
>>>>> disorder,
>>>>> and that this can help to understand how the SBT can, and does,
work.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I do have is the known fact that Kennedy suffered from
Addison's
>>>>> Disease, had for many years and indeed almost died from it, and the 
>>>>> fact
>>>>> that he was prescribed large doses of cortisone to treat it. I also 
>>>>> have
>>>>> the known medical fact that intake of large doses of cortisone, 
>>>>> over time,
>>>>> causes osteo****osis and a condition known as Iatrogenic Cu****ng's
>>>>> Syndrome, an exaggerated outward curving of the upper spine and 
>>>>> forward
>>>>> positioning of the chest, head and neck area (also called Kyphosis).
>>>>>
>>>>> For detailed information on this medical condition, please refer to 
>>>>> the
>>>>> two article links below, and/or Google "Osteo****osis, Iatrogenic 
>>>>> Cu****ng's
>>>>> Syndrome, Addison's Disease, Steroid use, Kyphosis" and/or any 
>>>>> combination
>>>>> of similar key words:
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://upmc.com/Services/MinimallyInvasiveendoNeurosurgeryCenter/Cond...

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Hormon...

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This medical condition, with the way it caused Kennedy's upper body 
>>>>> to be
>>>>> rounded and angled forward with the anatomical "pu****ng forward" of 
>>>>> his
>>>>> upper spine, upper chest, and head and neck, helps to place his
lower
>>>>> anterior neck where the exit wound was, *below* the upper back, and
in
>>>>> line with the SBT shot at around Z-223.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe this medical condition is one of the most under 
>>>>> researched (if
>>>>> at all researched), but nevertheless im****tant, keys to 
>>>>> understanding the
>>>>> SBT and how the bullet enters and p***** through Kennedy's upper 
>>>>> back and
>>>>> exits where the Warren Commission said it did. I also believe this 
>>>>> is why
>>>>> there was some confusion as to the placement of the actual wound on 
>>>>> charts
>>>>> by the autopsists, and that measurements made from the mastoid
process
>>>>> behind the right ear may have muddled a way to determine the exact
>>>>> location when comparing it to the rest of Kennedy's upper back. In 
>>>>> other
>>>>> words, in the confusion, and in hastily fini****ng the autopsy 
>>>>> because the
>>>>> Kennedy family (especially Mrs. Kennedy) didn't want to leave
Bethesda
>>>>> without the body, pathologists were simply mistaken in thinking the 
>>>>> bullet
>>>>> hole might have been located at vertebra T3 or thereabouts because, 
>>>>> due to
>>>>> Kennedy's exaggerated spine curvature, T3 would appear higher on 
>>>>> Kennedy's
>>>>> spine than on a normal spine. And, in the years since the 
>>>>> assassination
>>>>> and with subsequent investigations such as the HSCA, the reason why 
>>>>> there
>>>>> remains some confusion as to the actual placement of the bullet 
>>>>> hole is
>>>>> because pathologists still have to rely on these hastily drawn
charts,
>>>>> diagrams, and autopsy photos to try to re-determine where the 
>>>>> bullet hole
>>>>> was located. And, of course, this confusion carries over to 
>>>>> researchers
>>>>> studying the assassination and is the reason for the ongoing 
>>>>> controversy.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if one measures the distance from the mastoid process behind 
>>>>> Kennedy's
>>>>> right ear to the bullet hole, as was actually done at the autopsy, 
>>>>> because
>>>>> of the exaggerated curvature of his upper spine placing his head 
>>>>> and neck
>>>>> in a more forward position than a normal person, that distance is 
>>>>> going to
>>>>> be deceiving, even to a trained pathologist pressed for time, when
>>>>> compared to measuring a more flat, straighter neck and upper spine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome can also help explain why the bullet 
>>>>> holes
>>>>> in Kennedy's ****rt and jacket don't line up exactly with the actual 
>>>>> bullet
>>>>> hole in his upper back, and why they may be further down:
>>>>>
>>>>> How ****rts and jackets are generally tailored, the way they drape 
>>>>> over the
>>>>> upper back from the collar on down on normal people (who, by the 
>>>>> way, all
>>>>> have outward curves in their upper spines, though not as 
>>>>> exaggerated as in
>>>>> people with Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome) and compensating for the
>>>>> exaggerated curve in Kennedy's upper spine -- this curve's rounded
>>>>> measurement adding distance to the measurement of the ****rt and
jacket
>>>>> fabric -- is why when we see pictures of his bloody ****rt and jacket
>>>>> hanging straight down as opposed to being actually worn on him, and 
>>>>> when
>>>>> measured from the collar straight down -- without the spinal curve 
>>>>> -- the
>>>>> holes in the ****rt and jacket appear lower.
>>>>>
>>>>> So to sum: Because Kennedy was not sitting straight up in the limo, 
>>>>> his
>>>>> spine not on a completely vertical line at the time of the shot, 
>>>>> and that
>>>>> he was slumped forward a bit not only because he sat that way 
>>>>> normally as
>>>>> some people do, (some more than others), but also because he was 
>>>>> suffering
>>>>> from Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome that caused his upper chest, 
>>>>> head, and
>>>>> neck area to slump forward somewhat, we can see and understand that 
>>>>> the
>>>>> actual location of the entry wound, and the path of the bullet 
>>>>> through his
>>>>> upper body and out his lower anterior neck area, indeed does line 
>>>>> up with
>>>>> the approximate 17 degree downward trajectory of the Warren
Commission
>>>>> exhibit 399 bullet fired at around Z-223 from the easternmost 
>>>>> window of
>>>>> the TSBD sixth floor sniper's nest.
>>>>>
>>>>> And one final thought: If conspiracists want to respond by saying
that
>>>>> because they don't see a pronounced curve in Kennedy's upper back in
>>>>> photos and film, therefore it didn't exist, this would be incorrect.
>>>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome is a real medical condition and is the
>>>>> result of taking large doses of cortisone over long periods of time 
>>>>> in the
>>>>> treatment of Addison's Disease. In other words, although in 
>>>>> Kennedy's case
>>>>> any Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome information is not publicly known 
>>>>> and is
>>>>> quite possibly undo***ented by his doctors (as far as I know), we
can
>>>>> safely infer that Kennedy did in fact suffer from Iatrogenic
Cu****ng's
>>>>> Syndrome because he, in fact, took large doses of cortisone for 
>>>>> treatment
>>>>> of his Addison's Disease.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> The simplest explanation for the strange anomolies in Kennedy's 
>>>> wounds is that he was, in fact, shot from both the front and back. 
>>>> Easy! You do get an award for coming up with the silliest 
>>>> explanation for the discrepencies I have heard so far! Looking on 
>>>> the bright side, at least you are acknowledging that there IS a 
>>>> discrepency in the wounds that has not been satisfactorily explained 
>>>> by Lone Nut theorists.
>>>>
>>>> How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who stated/testified that 
>>>> Kennedy had a small entrance wound in his throat when he was brought 
>>>> in after the shooting. Here is a quote by Dr Perry (who performed 
>>>> the tracheotomy) - the throat wound "was a very small injury, with 
>>>> clearcut, although somewhat irregular margins of less than a quarter 
>>>> inch with minimal tissue damage surrounding it on the skin." Dr 
>>>> Charles Baxter: the wound in the throat "was no more than a 
>>>> pinpoint. It was made by a small caliber weapon. And it was an entry 
>>>> wound."
>>>>
>>>> My own opinion, sure to be ridiculed by the lone nut brigade I'm 
>>>> sure, is that he was shot in the throat by a flechette (just as he 
>>>> passed umbrella man) This rendered him unable to move (as you see in 
>>>> the Zapruder film - his injuries up until that point would not have 
>>>> caused him to react the way he did) The poison was untraceable, and 
>>>> explains why the doctors and nurses at Parkland all described the 
>>>> small entrance wound in Kennedy's throat, and the lack of 
>>>> corresponding exit wound in the back of his neck, along with no 
>>>> recovered bullet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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