Re: JFK, Addison's Disease, Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome, and the

Anthony Marsh wrote: "Make sure that you have read Robert Dallek's article 
in the December 2002 Atlantic Monthly:"

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/12/dallek.htm

AM, thank you for posting this link.

James

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> "Anthony Marsh" <anthony_marsh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> tomnln wrote:
>>> Jas;
>>>
>>> The Parkland Dr.s handled an average of 1271 gunshot victime per year.
>>>
>>> Humnes/Boswell never performed an autopsy in their lives.
>>>
>>> Which ones do you think was better qualified to evaluate the
Presidents 
>>> wounds?
>>>
>>
>> The ER doctors did not evaluate the President's wounds. They were too 
>> busy trying to save his life. ER doctors routinely make mistakes about 
>> gunshot wounds.
>
>
> Please PROVE that the Parkland Dr's were "mistaken"?
>
> Then list the attributes of the Bethesda Dr's?
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>>> "Jas" <jstell1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> thaliacole wrote: "How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who 
>>>> stated/testified that Kennedy had a small entrance wound in his
throat 
>>>> when he was brought in after the shooting."
>>>>
>>>> The Parkland doctors were trauma doctors pressed for time and
occupied 
>>>> with saving Kennedy's life. Noting wounds on Kennedy's body, and
going 
>>>> into detailed examination was impossible and only cursory at best.
They 
>>>> neither had the time nor the authority to go any further with any 
>>>> examination. The autopsy pathologists were the ones to do that at the

>>>> autopsy at Bethesda.
>>>>
>>>> thaliacole also wrote: "The simplest explanation for the strange 
>>>> anomolies in Kennedy's wounds is that he was, in fact, shot from both

>>>> the front and back. Easy! You do get an award for coming up with the 
>>>> silliest explanation for the discrepencies I have heard so far!"
>>>>
>>>> Why, thank you for that. How nice of you. I'll tell you this much,
and 
>>>> this is all I'll tell you so as not to waste any more of my time --
my 
>>>> ideas make a whole lot more sense than your "he was shot in the
throat 
>>>> by a flechette" statement.
>>>>
>>>> Your statement doesn't even deserve a response, except, "good grief 
>>>> man, get a grip."
>>>>
>>>> And, by the way, what in the world does your point have to do with
the 
>>>> curvature of Kennedy's upper back due to cortisone use sup****ting the

>>>> SBT? If you want to spout off about your "flechette," start your own 
>>>> thread.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> <thaliacole@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On Apr 27, 9:25 am, "Jas" <jste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> As we know, there's a lot of controversy stirred up by conspiracists

>>>>> over
>>>>> Kennedy's back wound location and whether a single bullet fired by 
>>>>> Oswald
>>>>> from the sixth floor TSBD could pass through and out his lower 
>>>>> anterior
>>>>> neck, (if, according to them, it p***** out at all), and goes on 
>>>>> through
>>>>> Connally, through his right wrist, into his left leg, and ending up
on 
>>>>> a
>>>>> stretcher at Parkland Hospital -- the Single Bullet Theory, CE 399.
>>>>> Conspiracists maintain that the upper body bullet trajectory isn't
on 
>>>>> a
>>>>> downward path because the exit wound in the lower throat is higher 
>>>>> than
>>>>> the upper back, therefore another bullet hit Kennedy in the throat 
>>>>> from
>>>>> the front, and they say the autopsists found the bullet hole in 
>>>>> Kennedy's
>>>>> upper back positioned lower on his back than the Warren Commission 
>>>>> did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Conspiracists also say that the bullet hit Kennedy lower than the 
>>>>> Warren
>>>>> Commission and its defenders say it did, because the bullet holes in

>>>>> his
>>>>> ****rt and jacket are lower than the Commission said, therefore it
was 
>>>>> a
>>>>> shot from somewhere other than the TSBD, possibly the Dal-Tex 
>>>>> building.
>>>>> They say this can be proven by where his ****rt and jacket were
located 
>>>>> on
>>>>> his back -- "bunched up," or "not bunched up" -- at the time of the
CE 
>>>>> 399
>>>>> shot at around Z-223.
>>>>>
>>>>> For conspiracists to use these perceived viewpoints as "evidence" or

>>>>> proof
>>>>> of other shooters in Dealey Plaza in trying to prove the SBT
invalid, 
>>>>> is
>>>>> wrong. Other than the fact that there were indeed mistakes, changes,

>>>>> and
>>>>> some confusion in the autopsists re****ts and testimonies regarding
the
>>>>> actual location of the upper back bullet hole, I feel the reason for

>>>>> the
>>>>> confusion was not because of a cover-up and conspiracy, but because
of 
>>>>> a
>>>>> condition I believe Kennedy suffered from known as Iatrogenic 
>>>>> Cu****ng's
>>>>> Syndrome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately I can't verify this by citing re****ts and do***ents 
>>>>> because
>>>>> I don't have access to Kennedy's confidential medical records, nor
do 
>>>>> I
>>>>> have charts and diagrams with the actual mathematical measurements
of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> curves of his spine while he is sitting in the back seat of his
limo, 
>>>>> the
>>>>> likes of which I highly doubt were done by his doctors in the first 
>>>>> place.
>>>>> But from Kennedy's known medical condition and certain known medical
>>>>> facts, I can draw a solid inference that he suffered from this 
>>>>> disorder,
>>>>> and that this can help to understand how the SBT can, and does,
work.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I do have is the known fact that Kennedy suffered from
Addison's
>>>>> Disease, had for many years and indeed almost died from it, and the 
>>>>> fact
>>>>> that he was prescribed large doses of cortisone to treat it. I also 
>>>>> have
>>>>> the known medical fact that intake of large doses of cortisone, over

>>>>> time,
>>>>> causes osteo****osis and a condition known as Iatrogenic Cu****ng's
>>>>> Syndrome, an exaggerated outward curving of the upper spine and 
>>>>> forward
>>>>> positioning of the chest, head and neck area (also called Kyphosis).
>>>>>
>>>>> For detailed information on this medical condition, please refer to 
>>>>> the
>>>>> two article links below, and/or Google "Osteo****osis, Iatrogenic 
>>>>> Cu****ng's
>>>>> Syndrome, Addison's Disease, Steroid use, Kyphosis" and/or any 
>>>>> combination
>>>>> of similar key words:
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://upmc.com/Services/MinimallyInvasiveendoNeurosurgeryCenter/Cond...
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/BHCV2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Hormon...
>>>>>
>>>>> This medical condition, with the way it caused Kennedy's upper body
to 
>>>>> be
>>>>> rounded and angled forward with the anatomical "pu****ng forward" of 
>>>>> his
>>>>> upper spine, upper chest, and head and neck, helps to place his
lower
>>>>> anterior neck where the exit wound was, *below* the upper back, and
in
>>>>> line with the SBT shot at around Z-223.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe this medical condition is one of the most under researched

>>>>> (if
>>>>> at all researched), but nevertheless im****tant, keys to
understanding 
>>>>> the
>>>>> SBT and how the bullet enters and p***** through Kennedy's upper
back 
>>>>> and
>>>>> exits where the Warren Commission said it did. I also believe this
is 
>>>>> why
>>>>> there was some confusion as to the placement of the actual wound on 
>>>>> charts
>>>>> by the autopsists, and that measurements made from the mastoid
process
>>>>> behind the right ear may have muddled a way to determine the exact
>>>>> location when comparing it to the rest of Kennedy's upper back. In 
>>>>> other
>>>>> words, in the confusion, and in hastily fini****ng the autopsy
because 
>>>>> the
>>>>> Kennedy family (especially Mrs. Kennedy) didn't want to leave
Bethesda
>>>>> without the body, pathologists were simply mistaken in thinking the 
>>>>> bullet
>>>>> hole might have been located at vertebra T3 or thereabouts because, 
>>>>> due to
>>>>> Kennedy's exaggerated spine curvature, T3 would appear higher on 
>>>>> Kennedy's
>>>>> spine than on a normal spine. And, in the years since the 
>>>>> assassination
>>>>> and with subsequent investigations such as the HSCA, the reason why 
>>>>> there
>>>>> remains some confusion as to the actual placement of the bullet hole

>>>>> is
>>>>> because pathologists still have to rely on these hastily drawn
charts,
>>>>> diagrams, and autopsy photos to try to re-determine where the bullet

>>>>> hole
>>>>> was located. And, of course, this confusion carries over to 
>>>>> researchers
>>>>> studying the assassination and is the reason for the ongoing 
>>>>> controversy.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if one measures the distance from the mastoid process behind 
>>>>> Kennedy's
>>>>> right ear to the bullet hole, as was actually done at the autopsy, 
>>>>> because
>>>>> of the exaggerated curvature of his upper spine placing his head and

>>>>> neck
>>>>> in a more forward position than a normal person, that distance is 
>>>>> going to
>>>>> be deceiving, even to a trained pathologist pressed for time, when
>>>>> compared to measuring a more flat, straighter neck and upper spine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome can also help explain why the bullet 
>>>>> holes
>>>>> in Kennedy's ****rt and jacket don't line up exactly with the actual 
>>>>> bullet
>>>>> hole in his upper back, and why they may be further down:
>>>>>
>>>>> How ****rts and jackets are generally tailored, the way they drape
over 
>>>>> the
>>>>> upper back from the collar on down on normal people (who, by the
way, 
>>>>> all
>>>>> have outward curves in their upper spines, though not as exaggerated

>>>>> as in
>>>>> people with Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome) and compensating for the
>>>>> exaggerated curve in Kennedy's upper spine -- this curve's rounded
>>>>> measurement adding distance to the measurement of the ****rt and
jacket
>>>>> fabric -- is why when we see pictures of his bloody ****rt and jacket
>>>>> hanging straight down as opposed to being actually worn on him, and 
>>>>> when
>>>>> measured from the collar straight down -- without the spinal curve
-- 
>>>>> the
>>>>> holes in the ****rt and jacket appear lower.
>>>>>
>>>>> So to sum: Because Kennedy was not sitting straight up in the limo, 
>>>>> his
>>>>> spine not on a completely vertical line at the time of the shot, and

>>>>> that
>>>>> he was slumped forward a bit not only because he sat that way
normally 
>>>>> as
>>>>> some people do, (some more than others), but also because he was 
>>>>> suffering
>>>>> from Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome that caused his upper chest,
head, 
>>>>> and
>>>>> neck area to slump forward somewhat, we can see and understand that 
>>>>> the
>>>>> actual location of the entry wound, and the path of the bullet
through 
>>>>> his
>>>>> upper body and out his lower anterior neck area, indeed does line up

>>>>> with
>>>>> the approximate 17 degree downward trajectory of the Warren
Commission
>>>>> exhibit 399 bullet fired at around Z-223 from the easternmost window

>>>>> of
>>>>> the TSBD sixth floor sniper's nest.
>>>>>
>>>>> And one final thought: If conspiracists want to respond by saying
that
>>>>> because they don't see a pronounced curve in Kennedy's upper back in
>>>>> photos and film, therefore it didn't exist, this would be incorrect.
>>>>> Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome is a real medical condition and is the
>>>>> result of taking large doses of cortisone over long periods of time
in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> treatment of Addison's Disease. In other words, although in
Kennedy's 
>>>>> case
>>>>> any Iatrogenic Cu****ng's Syndrome information is not publicly known 
>>>>> and is
>>>>> quite possibly undo***ented by his doctors (as far as I know), we
can
>>>>> safely infer that Kennedy did in fact suffer from Iatrogenic
Cu****ng's
>>>>> Syndrome because he, in fact, took large doses of cortisone for 
>>>>> treatment
>>>>> of his Addison's Disease.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> The simplest explanation for the strange anomolies in Kennedy's
wounds 
>>>> is that he was, in fact, shot from both the front and back. Easy! You

>>>> do get an award for coming up with the silliest explanation for the 
>>>> discrepencies I have heard so far! Looking on the bright side, at
least 
>>>> you are acknowledging that there IS a discrepency in the wounds that 
>>>> has not been satisfactorily explained by Lone Nut theorists.
>>>>
>>>> How do you explain the Dr's at Parkland who stated/testified that 
>>>> Kennedy had a small entrance wound in his throat when he was brought
in 
>>>> after the shooting. Here is a quote by Dr Perry (who performed the 
>>>> tracheotomy) - the throat wound "was a very small injury, with 
>>>> clearcut, although somewhat irregular margins of less than a quarter 
>>>> inch with minimal tissue damage surrounding it on the skin." Dr
Charles 
>>>> Baxter: the wound in the throat "was no more than a pinpoint. It was 
>>>> made by a small caliber weapon. And it was an entry wound."
>>>>
>>>> My own opinion, sure to be ridiculed by the lone nut brigade I'm
sure, 
>>>> is that he was shot in the throat by a flechette (just as he passed 
>>>> umbrella man) This rendered him unable to move (as you see in the 
>>>> Zapruder film - his injuries up until that point would not have
caused 
>>>> him to react the way he did) The poison was untraceable, and explains

>>>> why the doctors and nurses at Parkland all described the small
entrance 
>>>> wound in Kennedy's throat, and the lack of corresponding exit wound
in 
>>>> the back of his neck, along with no recovered bullet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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