On May 4, 9:41=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 3, 8:23=A0pm, Canuck <prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 2, 10:35=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 2, 4:23=A0pm,Canuck<prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On Apr 30, 8:10=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On 30 Apr, 10:59,Canuck<prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:19=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrot=
e:
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> > > > > > > Chuck Boyles ran a late night talk show on KLIF radio in
Dalla=
s and
> > > > > > > frequently discussed the assassination with callers. =A0One
ev=
ening an
> > > > > > > inidentified woman called and told Boyles, and the listening
a=
udience,
> > > > > > > there were telephone calls betwee Ruby and Oswald. =A0The
woma=
n
> > > > > > > explained that she wroded as a telephone operator in the
WHite=
hall
> > > > > > > exchange and not only remembered the calls, but said the
*tele=
phone
> > > > > > > company had records of the calls.*
>
> > > > > > > The woman explained that when Ruby tried to call Oswald, and
w=
as
> > > > > > > unable to get through because the pay phone Oswald was using
w=
as busy,
> > > > > > > he would call the operator and tell her that his call was an
> > > > > > > emergency. =A0The operator would then interrupt the call,
ask =
the
> > > > > > > callers to get off the line, and make a record of the call
as =
required
> > > > > > > by the phone company. =A0The woman said that Ruby used this
tr=
ick so
> > > > > > > frequently that she remembered his name and numerous calls.
>
> > > > > > > These "emergency call records," mentioned by the
unidentified
> > > > > > > telephone opreator, may have been given to the Dallas Police
b=
y the
> > > > > > > Area Commercial Manager of Southwestern Bell, Raymond A.
Acker=
.. =A0Acker
> > > > > > > took the phone company records to the Dallas Police
Department=
after
> > > > > > > the assassination and told the police they were proof of
calls=
between
> > > > > > > Ruby and Oswald. =A0Acker said that after he gave the
records =
to the
> > > > > > > Dallas Police, *he was told to go home and keep his mouth
shut=
..*
>
> > > > > > > Phone calls within the Dallas area, which included Irving
and =
Oak
> > > > > > > Cliff, were not toll calls and were not recorded by the
phone
> > > > > > > company. =A0The only local calls that were recorded by the
pho=
ne company
> > > > > > > were "emergency" calls (which the operator said Ruby placed
to=
> > > > > > > Oswald).
>
> > > > > > > Some of Jack Ruby's emergency phone call may have caused
Oswal=
d to
> > > > > > > return calls to the Carousel Club. =A0In the days leading up
t=
o the
> > > > > > > assassination Ruby's handyman, Larry Crafard, received many
ca=
lls from
> > > > > > > an unknown male who never identified himself of left a
message=
..
> > > > > > > Crafard told the Warren Commission, "This gentleman would
call=
maybe
> > > > > > > two or threee times a day asking for Jack. =A0He would ask
whe=
re he
> > > > > > > could reach Jack. =A0It sounded like it was pretty im****tant
t=
hat he
> > > > > > > reach Jack, and that he would never leave a number where
Jack =
could
> > > > > > > call him back at." =A0When Crafard asked Ruby about these
stra=
nge
> > > > > > > telephone calls he was told to mind his own business.
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> > > > > > > On November 26, 1963 Larry Crafard told SA John Flanagan
that =
Jack
> > > > > > > Ruby's home phone number was WHitehall 1-5601. =A0On
November =
29, 1963
> > > > > > > Crafard told SA Theodore Cramer that Ruby's unlisted home
tele=
phone
> > > > > > > number was WHitehall 1-1050. =A0Oswald's rooming house was
WH =
3-8993.
> > > > > > > There is no indication the FBI checked telephone company
recor=
ds for
> > > > > > > emergency calls placed to or from these numbers.
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> > > > > > > Harvey and Lee pgs. 768-9
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> > > > > > > CJ
>
> > > > > > If there is any truth to this allegation, it would sup****t the
t=
hesis
> > > > > > that Ruby (with Craford's assistance) was setting Oswald up to
t=
ake
> > > > > > the blame for JFK's death.
>
> > > > > Yes it would, but not necessarily with Crafard's assistance.
=A0I =
believe
> > > > > there were many privy to Ruby and associates that frequented the
C=
arousel
> > > > > as well as other places that were what I would call outsider's.
=
=A0They were
>
> > > > You mean "outsiders".
>
> > > > > hearing stuff, but didn't have the wherewithal to get involved.
=
=A0Crafard
> > > > > probably left town because he felt the heat (leaving the day
after=
the
> > > > > assassination with very little money in his pocket hitchhiking
up =
to
> > > > > Minnesota), but I wouldn't call him *in-on* the assassination.
=A0=
Karen
> > > > > Carlin, the stripper and Ruby aliber would be more of a involvee
s=
ince she
> > > > > overheard assassination talk and told of it to the FBI a few
days =
after
> > > > > the assassination. =A0She was most probably silenced for what
she =
told and
> > > > > knew. =A0And Ruby even mentioned that in his testimony by
telling =
just that
> > > > > in a rhetorical way. =A0I believe there was one Oswald setting
up =
the other
> > > > > because they were a double agent team. =A0Ruby was friends with
th=
e Oswald
> > > > > born in New Orleans, not the one who got the job at the TSBD.
>
> > > > > > See my article "Creating A Patsy"
athttp://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/c=
reatingapatsy.htm,
> > > > > > in which I discuss Craford/Crafard at length, whom I
interviewed=
in
> > > > > > Dec. 2001. =A0Also, see Joan Mellen's reference to Ruby and
Craf=
ord/
> > > > > > Crafard. =A0She claims that Ruby introduced Craford as
"Oswald" =
at the
> > > > > > club.
>
> > > > > And Beverly Oliver was introduced to Oswald at the Carousel by
Jac=
k Ruby,
> > > > > as "Lee Harvey Oswald of the CIA."
>
> > > > I discuss that introduction in my article. =A0I asked Beverly
about =
it,
> > > > suggesting that she probably was introduced to Craford/Crafard,
but =
in her
> > > > written reply, she confused him with Crawford, another Ruby
associat=
e. =A0
> > > > She didn't remember Craford/Crafard, but her description suggests
th=
at's
> > > > who it was, given that Oswald was a lot better looking than
Craford/=
> > > > Crafard. =A0As for the reference to the CIA, Craford/Crafard did
tel=
l me he
> > > > had been involved in "black ops." after his release from the Army,
b=
ut was
> > > > vague about whom he was working for, but it likely was either the
CI=
A or
> > > > Army Intelligence. =A0He even showed me a scar on his leg that was
t=
he
> > > > result of one of his missions. =A0He also told me he had been a
hitm=
an in
> > > > San Francisco around 1961 I estimate. =A0He was asked about a job
in=
> > > > Berkeley by the W.C. lawyers, but drew a blank. Griffin even
mention=
ed the
> > > > name of the company.
> > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 - Peter R. Whitmey (Canuck)- Hide quoted text -
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> > > Peter, there were several other Oswald sightings at the Carousel,
Jack=
> > > Weston, Karen Carlin, Esther Mash...come to mind quickly and I am
sure=
the
> > > list would easily go to double digits with others that have already
co=
me
> > > forward. =A0Curington, H.L Hunt's right hand man saw Demoren****ldt,
Os=
wald,
> > > Ruby and H.L, on "various occasions."
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> > I personally do not believe Oswald was ever at the Carousel, unless he
> > skipped out of typing class to take a peek at the strippers.
=A0Craford =
told
> > me, for instance, that it wasn't Oswald who participated in a hypotist
> > act, but Craford himself. =A0I don't know if Craford was pretending to
b=
e
> > Oswald at the club, or was introduced by Ruby as "Oswald", as Joan
Melle=
n
> > who not elaborate on her statement when I e- mailed her after reading
th=
e
> > references to Craford. =A0However, I think it is wishful thinking to
bel=
ieve
> > that Oswald was spending his evenings at a nightclub, when his
landlady
> > indicated he spent all his time in his room reading and phoning his
wife=
.. =A0
> > And, of course, we know where he was on weekends. =A0All these people
ar=
e
> > relying on vague memories of a young, slim, white guy who was at the
clu=
b,
> > and often in the company of Ruby. =A0The odds are heavily in Craford's
> > favour. =A0Oddly enough, when I first wrote to Craford in 1989, he
indic=
ated
> > in the reply written by his wife, ****rley, that he "vaguely" recalled
> > seeing Oswald at the club, but I suspect that he was trying to ****ft
my
> > attention towards Oswald and away from him. =A0He also claimed from
the
> > outset and even when I interviewed him (in vain) that he left Dallas
on
> > Nov. 22 and not Nov. 23. =A0Now why would he want his wife and family
as=
> > well as me to believe that? =A0- Peter R. Whitmey- Hide quoted text -
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> Yes, I had read your articles some months ago. =A0I don't think Crafard
> looks that much like Oswald as I have seen an online pic. =A0I plan on
> doing some more tie-ins's with Ruby and Oswald very soon, and that
> would extend in the Carousel and beyond. =A0I believe one of the ones
> that commented on Oswald in the Carousel was either Bill DeMar or Jack
> Weston, who were the featured acts in the Carousel. =A0I think there is
> also a long interview with Shari Lynn (I may be mistaken on hte name)
> online in an interview with Ian Griggs. =A0You might want to check that
> one out. =A0David Reitzes also has a lot online about the two at his
> site.
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The alleged Oswald-Ruby connection obviously stems from the fact that Ruby
shot Oswald, suggesting by that act that there was a conspiracy between
them and that possibly Ruby didn't expect Oswald to get arrested. Then
all kinds of people started coming forward claiming to have seen Oswald at
the club, or with Ruby at various places in Dallas, such as restaurants,
various stores, etc. Since most people don't have very good memories when
it comes to specific features, it would be easy for someone to have
confused Oswald and Craford, simply because they were both about the same
height (Craford is shorter), both white, young, slim, with short hair.
Neither wore gl***** or had a moustache or beard. Did they really have to
look that much alike? - Peter
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