On 4 May, 17:48, Canuck <prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 4, 9:41=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 3, 8:23=A0pm, Canuck <prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 2, 10:35=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > > On May 2, 4:23=A0pm,Canuck<prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > > > On Apr 30, 8:10=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > On 30 Apr, 10:59,Canuck<prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:19=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wr=
ote:
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> > > > > > > > Chuck Boyles ran a late night talk show on KLIF radio in
Dal=
las and
> > > > > > > > frequently discussed the assassination with callers.
=A0One =
evening an
> > > > > > > > inidentified woman called and told Boyles, and the
listening=
audience,
> > > > > > > > there were telephone calls betwee Ruby and Oswald. =A0The
wo=
man
> > > > > > > > explained that she wroded as a telephone operator in the
WHi=
tehall
> > > > > > > > exchange and not only remembered the calls, but said the
*te=
lephone
> > > > > > > > company had records of the calls.*
>
> > > > > > > > The woman explained that when Ruby tried to call Oswald,
and=
was
> > > > > > > > unable to get through because the pay phone Oswald was
using=
was busy,
> > > > > > > > he would call the operator and tell her that his call was
an=
> > > > > > > > emergency. =A0The operator would then interrupt the call,
as=
k the
> > > > > > > > callers to get off the line, and make a record of the call
a=
s required
> > > > > > > > by the phone company. =A0The woman said that Ruby used
this =
trick so
> > > > > > > > frequently that she remembered his name and numerous
calls.
>
> > > > > > > > These "emergency call records," mentioned by the
unidentifie=
d
> > > > > > > > telephone opreator, may have been given to the Dallas
Police=
by the
> > > > > > > > Area Commercial Manager of Southwestern Bell, Raymond A.
Ack=
er. =A0Acker
> > > > > > > > took the phone company records to the Dallas Police
Departme=
nt after
> > > > > > > > the assassination and told the police they were proof of
cal=
ls between
> > > > > > > > Ruby and Oswald. =A0Acker said that after he gave the
record=
s to the
> > > > > > > > Dallas Police, *he was told to go home and keep his mouth
sh=
ut.*
>
> > > > > > > > Phone calls within the Dallas area, which included Irving
an=
d Oak
> > > > > > > > Cliff, were not toll calls and were not recorded by the
phon=
e
> > > > > > > > company. =A0The only local calls that were recorded by the
p=
hone company
> > > > > > > > were "emergency" calls (which the operator said Ruby
placed =
to
> > > > > > > > Oswald).
>
> > > > > > > > Some of Jack Ruby's emergency phone call may have caused
Osw=
ald to
> > > > > > > > return calls to the Carousel Club. =A0In the days leading
up=
to the
> > > > > > > > assassination Ruby's handyman, Larry Crafard, received
many =
calls from
> > > > > > > > an unknown male who never identified himself of left a
messa=
ge.
> > > > > > > > Crafard told the Warren Commission, "This gentleman would
ca=
ll maybe
> > > > > > > > two or threee times a day asking for Jack. =A0He would ask
w=
here he
> > > > > > > > could reach Jack. =A0It sounded like it was pretty
im****tant=
that he
> > > > > > > > reach Jack, and that he would never leave a number where
Jac=
k could
> > > > > > > > call him back at." =A0When Crafard asked Ruby about these
st=
range
> > > > > > > > telephone calls he was told to mind his own business.
>
> > > > > > > > On November 26, 1963 Larry Crafard told SA John Flanagan
tha=
t Jack
> > > > > > > > Ruby's home phone number was WHitehall 1-5601. =A0On
Novembe=
r 29, 1963
> > > > > > > > Crafard told SA Theodore Cramer that Ruby's unlisted home
te=
lephone
> > > > > > > > number was WHitehall 1-1050. =A0Oswald's rooming house was
W=
H 3-8993.
> > > > > > > > There is no indication the FBI checked telephone company
rec=
ords for
> > > > > > > > emergency calls placed to or from these numbers.
>
> > > > > > > > Harvey and Lee pgs. 768-9
>
> > > > > > > > CJ
>
> > > > > > > If there is any truth to this allegation, it would sup****t
the=
thesis
> > > > > > > that Ruby (with Craford's assistance) was setting Oswald up
to=
take
> > > > > > > the blame for JFK's death.
>
> > > > > > Yes it would, but not necessarily with Crafard's assistance.
=A0=
I believe
> > > > > > there were many privy to Ruby and associates that frequented
the=
Carousel
> > > > > > as well as other places that were what I would call
outsider's. =
=A0They were
>
> > > > > You mean "outsiders".
>
> > > > > > hearing stuff, but didn't have the wherewithal to get
involved. =
=A0Crafard
> > > > > > probably left town because he felt the heat (leaving the day
aft=
er the
> > > > > > assassination with very little money in his pocket hitchhiking
u=
p to
> > > > > > Minnesota), but I wouldn't call him *in-on* the assassination.
=
=A0Karen
> > > > > > Carlin, the stripper and Ruby aliber would be more of a
involvee=
since she
> > > > > > overheard assassination talk and told of it to the FBI a few
day=
s after
> > > > > > the assassination. =A0She was most probably silenced for what
sh=
e told and
> > > > > > knew. =A0And Ruby even mentioned that in his testimony by
tellin=
g just that
> > > > > > in a rhetorical way. =A0I believe there was one Oswald setting
u=
p the other
> > > > > > because they were a double agent team. =A0Ruby was friends
with =
the Oswald
> > > > > > born in New Orleans, not the one who got the job at the TSBD.
>
> > > > > > > See my article "Creating A Patsy"
athttp://mcadams.posc.mu.edu=
/creatingapatsy.htm,
> > > > > > > in which I discuss Craford/Crafard at length, whom I
interview=
ed in
> > > > > > > Dec. 2001. =A0Also, see Joan Mellen's reference to Ruby and
Cr=
aford/
> > > > > > > Crafard. =A0She claims that Ruby introduced Craford as
"Oswald=
" at the
> > > > > > > club.
>
> > > > > > And Beverly Oliver was introduced to Oswald at the Carousel by
J=
ack Ruby,
> > > > > > as "Lee Harvey Oswald of the CIA."
>
> > > > > I discuss that introduction in my article. =A0I asked Beverly
abou=
t it,
> > > > > suggesting that she probably was introduced to Craford/Crafard,
bu=
t in her
> > > > > written reply, she confused him with Crawford, another Ruby
associ=
ate. =A0
> > > > > She didn't remember Craford/Crafard, but her description
suggests =
that's
> > > > > who it was, given that Oswald was a lot better looking than
Crafor=
d/
> > > > > Crafard. =A0As for the reference to the CIA, Craford/Crafard did
t=
ell me he
> > > > > had been involved in "black ops." after his release from the
Army,=
but was
> > > > > vague about whom he was working for, but it likely was either
the =
CIA or
> > > > > Army Intelligence. =A0He even showed me a scar on his leg that
was=
the
> > > > > result of one of his missions. =A0He also told me he had been a
hi=
tman in
> > > > > San Francisco around 1961 I estimate. =A0He was asked about a
job =
in
> > > > > Berkeley by the W.C. lawyers, but drew a blank. Griffin even
menti=
oned the
> > > > > name of the company.
> > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
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=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 - Peter R. Whitmey (Canuck)- Hide quoted text
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> > > > Peter, there were several other Oswald sightings at the Carousel,
Ja=
ck
> > > > Weston, Karen Carlin, Esther Mash...come to mind quickly and I am
su=
re the
> > > > list would easily go to double digits with others that have
already =
come
> > > > forward. =A0Curington, H.L Hunt's right hand man saw
Demoren****ldt, =
Oswald,
> > > > Ruby and H.L, on "various occasions."
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> > > I personally do not believe Oswald was ever at the Carousel, unless
he=
> > > skipped out of typing class to take a peek at the strippers.
=A0Crafor=
d told
> > > me, for instance, that it wasn't Oswald who participated in a
hypotist=
> > > act, but Craford himself. =A0I don't know if Craford was pretending
to=
be
> > > Oswald at the club, or was introduced by Ruby as "Oswald", as Joan
Mel=
len
> > > who not elaborate on her statement when I e- mailed her after
reading =
the
> > > references to Craford. =A0However, I think it is wishful thinking to
b=
elieve
> > > that Oswald was spending his evenings at a nightclub, when his
landlad=
y
> > > indicated he spent all his time in his room reading and phoning his
wi=
fe. =A0
> > > And, of course, we know where he was on weekends. =A0All these
people =
are
> > > relying on vague memories of a young, slim, white guy who was at the
c=
lub,
> > > and often in the company of Ruby. =A0The odds are heavily in
Craford's=
> > > favour. =A0Oddly enough, when I first wrote to Craford in 1989, he
ind=
icated
> > > in the reply written by his wife, ****rley, that he "vaguely"
recalled
> > > seeing Oswald at the club, but I suspect that he was trying to ****ft
m=
y
> > > attention towards Oswald and away from him. =A0He also claimed from
th=
e
> > > outset and even when I interviewed him (in vain) that he left Dallas
o=
n
> > > Nov. 22 and not Nov. 23. =A0Now why would he want his wife and
family =
as
> > > well as me to believe that? =A0- Peter R. Whitmey- Hide quoted text
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> > Yes, I had read your articles some months ago. =A0I don't think
Crafard
> > looks that much like Oswald as I have seen an online pic. =A0I plan on
> > doing some more tie-ins's with Ruby and Oswald very soon, and that
> > would extend in the Carousel and beyond. =A0I believe one of the ones
> > that commented on Oswald in the Carousel was either Bill DeMar or Jack
> > Weston, who were the featured acts in the Carousel. =A0I think there
is
> > also a long interview with Shari Lynn (I may be mistaken on hte name)
> > online in an interview with Ian Griggs. =A0You might want to check
that
> > one out. =A0David Reitzes also has a lot online about the two at his
> > site.
>
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> The alleged Oswald-Ruby connection obviously stems from the fact that
Ruby=
> shot Oswald, suggesting by that act that there was a conspiracy between
> them and that possibly Ruby didn't expect Oswald to get arrested.
=A0Then
> all kinds of people started coming forward claiming to have seen Oswald
at=
> the club, or with Ruby at various places in Dallas, such as restaurants,
> various stores, etc. =A0Since most people don't have very good memories
wh=
en
> it comes to specific features, it would be easy for someone to have
> confused Oswald and Craford, simply because they were both about the
same
> height (Craford is shorter), both white, young, slim, with short hair.
=A0=
> Neither wore gl***** or had a moustache or beard. =A0Did they really
have =
to
> look that much alike? - Peter
I would think so. I mean some of these people worked there for some
good-length time periods. How would one not be introduced and call one by
a name? All of the witnesses had that experience. The thing I am also
interested in establi****ng, is not just Oswald and Ruby connected, but
Oswald and Oswald connected, the two being not the same person and totally
embedded withing Ruby and the assassination of JFK itself. My computer is
getting sick and needs some anti-virus application, so I cannot surf very
well. But I did pull up the Shari Angel interview this morning. Also, do
you know that Crafard was employed very long or had any firm daily title
or routine each day at the Carousel? I thought he was just a handyman?
Shari Angel Interview, by Ian Griggs.
http://www.jfklink.com/articles/Shari.html
CJ
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