On May 6, 8:08 pm, yeuhd <wall...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 6, 8:26 pm, "pjspe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <pjspe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone actually folded up the stiff brown wrapping paper and stuck
it
> > down their ****rt or pants? And then walked around with it? And then
> > climbed in a car with it? Wouldn't there be tell-tale creases?
>
> Well, there *are* creases in the bag.
>
> > Wouldn't
> > Frazier have heard sounds or noticed a stiffness to Oswald's
appearance?
>
> No, not necessarily.
>
> > And what about the creation of this "bag"? How and where did Oswald
create
> > it?
>
> At the TSBD. When? Who knows. Lunch time maybe.
>
> > The tape wasn't the tape found at the depository, nor was this tape
> > found at the Paines.
>
> Not so!
>
> Warren Commission Re****t, p. 579:
>
> "In the absence of watermarks or other distinctive characteristics, it
is
> impossible to determine whether two samples of paper came from the same
> manufacturer. The homemade paper bag found on the sixth floor of the
Texas
> School Book Depository following the assassination was made out of heavy
> brown paper and glue-bearing brown paper tape, neither of which
contained
> watermarks or other distinctive characteristics. However, Cadigan [FBI
> expert James C. Cadigan] compared the questioned paper and tape in the
> paper bag with known paper and tape samples obtained from the ****pping
> department of the Texas School Book Depository on November 22, 1963, to
> see if the questioned items could have come from the ****pping room. . .
.
>
> "The questioned and known items were identical in all the properties
> measured by these tests. (The width of the type on the paper sack was 3
> inches, while the width of the sample tape was 2.975, or twenty-five
> thousandths of an inch smaller; however, this was not a significant
> difference). . . .
>
> "Examination of the tape revealed other significant factors indicating
> that it could have come from the Texas School Book Depository ****pping
> room. There were several strips of tape on the bag. All but two of the
> ends of these strips were irregularly torn; the remaining two ends had
> machine-cut edges. This indicated that the person who made the bag had
> drawn a long strip of tape from a dispensing machine and had torn it by
> hand into several smaller strips. Confirmation that the tape had been
> drawn from a dispensing machine was supplied by the fact that a series
of
> small markings in the form of half-inch lines ran down the center of the
> tape like ties on a railroad track. Such lines are made by a ridged
wheel
> in a tape dispenser which is constructed so that when a hand lever is
> pulled, the wheel, which is connected to the lever, pulls the tape from
> its roll and dispenses it. Such dispensers are usually found only in
> commercial establishments. A dispenser of this type was located in the
> Texas School Book Depository ****pping room. The length of the lines and
> the number of lines per inch on the tape from the paper bag was
identical
> to the length of the lines and the number of lines per inch on the tape
> obtained from the dispenser in the Texas School Book Depository ****pping
> room."
>
> > And how, could Oswald have created this bag in
> > either location without anyone noticing? ****pping tables aren't hidden
in
> > corners. If Oswald had created the bag at the ****pping table someone
> > almost certainly would have seen him.
>
> Pure conjecture. Neither of us worked at the TSBD, or knows the work
> routines of the employees while in the ****pping area, what times of day
it
> might have been sparsely occupied or unoccupied (e.g. lunch), whether
> other employees took any notice of what other employees were doing in
the
> ****pping area, etc. Oswald's fellow employees paid little or no
attention
> to him on the morning of Nov. 22; would they have any better
recollections
> of what he did on Nov. 20 or 21?
I'll have to re-read Griggs and a few other sources, but I remember
there being some problems with the tape. I seem to recall that the
wheel markings didn't actually match the TSBD machine, or some such
thing, although it was originally claimed that they did..
As far as not knowing the routines of the TSBD employees, this isn't
exactly true. Troy West spent his lunches at the ****pping table. He
was there on 11-22. The WC never could figure out how or when Oswald
made the bag, so they just acted as though they had, and hoped the
country would assume the same.
Mr. BELIN - When did you quit for lunch that day?
Mr. WEST - Well, we always quit at 12 o'clock in the day.
Mr. BELIN - Is that when you quit on November 22nd?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. WEST - Well, I went in and washed my hands and face and then got
ready to put my coffee on. I always made coffee at 12. Make it in the
morning, and then I make it about 12, between 12 and 12:30.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do? Did you put your coffee on?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - In the west part of the floor where you generally work?
Mr. WEST - Yes.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. WEST - Well, I went to get my lunch to eat a bite.
Mr. BELIN - Where did you get your lunch?
Mr. WEST - Well, I always kept my lunch right there close by my
machine, by my wrapping machine that I use all the time, that I always
kept my lunch. I have a little place underneath and I keep it there
all the time.
Mr. BELIN - Are you the only one that wraps the books for mailing, or
wraps them up for mailing?
Mr. WEST - Well, no, sir; I am not the only one, but mine is that way
just every day.
Mr. BELIN - You do it all the time?
Mr. WEST - Yes; I do that.
Mr. BELIN - Are you the only one who does it all the time?
Mr. WEST - I am the only one that is steady, wraps mail all the time,
although I have help, you know, when it gets stacked.
Mr. BELIN - Did Lee Harvey Oswald ever help you wrap mail?
Mr. WEST - No, sir; he never did.
Mr. BELIN - Do you know whether or not he ever borrowed or used any
wrapping paper for himself?
Mr. WEST - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BELIN - You don't know?
Mr. WEST - No; I don't.
Mr. BELIN - Did you ever see him around these wrapper rolls or wrapper
roll machines, or not?
Mr. WEST - No, sir; I never noticed him being around.
Mr. BELIN - Are they paper machines with the rolls of wrapping paper?
You have some gum there too, for taping it? When you wrap it, would
you tape it with some tape?
Mr. WEST - No, sir; I never seen him.
Mr. BELIN - Did you do that? Did you put tape on the wrapping paper
when it was being ****pped? When you wrap the books up with paper, did
you have any gum tape that you put on it?
Mr. WEST - No, sir; I had a machine that I placed it on the machine
and tied it with, and the machine tied it with a string.
Mr. BELIN - With string?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Didn't you have any gummed tape by your machine?
Mr. WEST - Sir?
Mr. BELIN - Did you have any kind of tape, sticky tape that you would
put on the paper to keep it together, or was that somewhere else?
Mr. WEST - Oh, yes, sir; I used some of that wide tape.
Mr. BELIN - Is that sticky tape?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - To seal the package with?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir; that's right. And then I tie it, put it on the
machine and tie it.
Mr. BELIN - Is yours the only place that they have the sticky tape?
Mr. WEST - Well, that is the only place that is supposed to be, you
know.
Mr. BELIN - Could other employees come and pick up some of the tape
for themselves?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir; they could come get it if they wanted to use it,
but all the time it was there where it is supposed to be.
Mr. BELIN - Did other employees from time to time come and borrow some
of that tape at all, or use it? Would other employees ever use any of
the tape for themselves?
Mr. WEST - Not as far as I know of now.
Mr. BELIN - If I wanted to use any of that tape, you know the tape you
use to seal it, is there a way to make the tape wet so I don't have to
lick it myself with my tongue to make it wet and sticky? Or how do you
get it to be sticky and stick together?
Mr. WEST - Well, we have those machines with the little round ball
that we fill them up with water, and so we set them up. In to--other
words, I got a rack that we set them in, and so we put out tape in a
machine, and whenever we pull the tape through, why then the water
gets, you know, it gets water on it as we pull it through.
Mr. BELIN - If I wanted to pull the tape, pull off a piece without
getting water on it, would I just lift it up without going over the
wet roller and get the tape without getting it wet?
Mr. WEST - You would have to take it out. You would have to take it
out of the machine. See, it's put on there and then run through a
little clamp that holds it down, and you pull it, well, then the
water, it gets water on it.
Mr. BELIN - Is this an electrical machine or is it just kind of a
little apparatus for just pulling it through by hand?
Mr. WEST - Well, it is not electric, no, sir.
Mr. BELIN - No going back to November 22, you said you quit for lunch
around noon on that day on Friday, November 22?
Mr. WEST - Yes. About 12 o'clock we always quit for lunch.
Mr. BELIN - Do you remember any of the men coming down the elevator
that day? Bonnie Ray Williams or James Jarman Jr., or Danny Arce, or
any one else coming down that morning? Charlie Givens? Do you remember
them coming down the elevator, or don't you remember.
Mr. WEST - I don't remember.
Mr. BELIN - Now, after you quit for lunch, you made the coffee then?
Mr. WEST - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Were did you make the coffee?
Mr. WEST - I made the coffee right there close to the wrapping mail
table where I wrap mail.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. WEST - Well, I sit down to eat my lunch.
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Mr. WEST - Well, I had just, after I made coffee, I just had started
to eat my lunch because I was a little hungry - I didn't anything that
morning before I went to work - and I had started to eat my lunch.
But before I got through, well, all of this was, I mean, the police
and things was coming in, and I was just spellbound. I just didn't
know what was the matter. So I didn't get through eating. I had to eat
about half my lunch, and that is all.
Mr. BELIN - Did you hear any shots fired?
Mr. WEST - I didn't hear a one. Didn't hear a one.
Mr. BELIN - Did you see anyone else on the first floor while you were
eating your lunch? Anyone else at all did you see on the first floor?
Mr. WEST - It wasn't anybody. I didn't see anybody around at that
time.
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