Re: VIRTUAL JFK: Vietnam Had Kennedy Lived

Gerry Simone wrote:
> Actually NSAM 263 speaks to the withdrawal of 1000 troops by Dec '63.
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> I didn't see mention of withdrawal of the bulk of troops.
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> That reference to removing the bulk of troops is in the McNamara/Taylor=
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> re****t.
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http://the-puzzle-palace.com/SecDef1.htm

> <billclarke@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> news:fab68050-5fdf-41f9-be6b-1d1a5bd77445@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On May 5, 7:42 pm, "Gerry Simone" <newdecent...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Didn't NSAM 263 say the 'bulk' of all troops. That would mean most tro=
ops.
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> McNamara is on record as saying around 3,500 would remain in Vietnam,
> including advisors down to the Battalion level.  Two points you need
> to remember here.  NSAM 263 says we =93should be able to withdraw the
> bulk=94; it doesn=92t say we are going to withdraw the bulk no matter w=
hat
> the condition is in Vietnam.  The second point is that at this time
> the fools thought they were winning the war and would have it won by
> 1965.  By winning I mean that ARVN would be strong enough to take
> over.  This was all a sad pipedream based on false re****ts from
> Harkin=92s and McNamara/Taylor and others buying Harkin=92s crap instea=
d
> of getting out into the field to find the actual conditions.
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> Bill Clarke
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>> <billcla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> news:9ec6df15-3931-471d-ad78-cabc06974b0f@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On May 3, 4:07 pm, "Gerry Simone" <newdecent...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>> Marsh said that JFK 'had set into motion' such plans with an initial
>>> withdrawal.
>>> It may not have been written in stone wrt ALL troops.
>> Yeah, Marsh says a lot of things. Buying what he says is about like
>> buying stock in Billie Sol Estes=92s fertilizer tanks, especially when=
 he
>> is discussing Vietnam or military operations in general. His ballistic
>> expertise falls into the same basket.
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>> The reason it isn=92t written in stone is because it doesn=92t exist.
>> The only =93evidence=94 that sup****ts JFK withdrawing ALL U.S. personn=
el
>> after he was re-elected is the sayings of a few people. As mentioned
>> before, some are not creditable (O=92Donnell-Powers) some are (O=92Nei=
l).
>> To counter this you have for example Dean Rusk saying JFK had never
>> discussed it with him. Mostly you have an oral interview with Bobby
>> Kennedy saying that any such decision had not been reached by JFK.
>>
>> I think we all would agree that Bobby knew what Jack was thinking bett=
er
>> than the others.
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>> NSAM 263 spells out JFK=92s plans for Vietnam until the year 1965. At =
no
>> time does NSAM 263 talk of all the troops coming home. As for the 1,00=
0
>> man withdrawal, it was so much politics. You heard the discussion abou=
t
>> it on the tapes.
>>
>> Bill Clarke
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