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> On 4 May, 17:48,Canuck<prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 4, 9:41=A0am, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 3, 8:23=A0pm,Canuck<prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On May 2, 10:35=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On May 2, 4:23=A0pm,Canuck<prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > On Apr 30, 8:10=A0pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrot=
e:
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> > > > > > > On 30 Apr, 10:59,Canuck<prwhit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:19=A0am, curtjester1
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> =
wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Chuck Boyles ran a late night talk show on KLIF radio in
D=
allas and
> > > > > > > > > frequently discussed the assassination with callers.
=A0On=
e evening an
> > > > > > > > > inidentified woman called and told Boyles, and the
listeni=
ng audience,
> > > > > > > > > there were telephone calls betwee Ruby and Oswald.
=A0The =
woman
> > > > > > > > > explained that she wroded as a telephone operator in the
W=
Hitehall
> > > > > > > > > exchange and not only remembered the calls, but said the
*=
telephone
> > > > > > > > > company had records of the calls.*
>
> > > > > > > > > The woman explained that when Ruby tried to call Oswald,
a=
nd was
> > > > > > > > > unable to get through because the pay phone Oswald was
usi=
ng was busy,
> > > > > > > > > he would call the operator and tell her that his call
was =
an
> > > > > > > > > emergency. =A0The operator would then interrupt the
call, =
ask the
> > > > > > > > > callers to get off the line, and make a record of the
call=
as required
> > > > > > > > > by the phone company. =A0The woman said that Ruby used
thi=
s trick so
> > > > > > > > > frequently that she remembered his name and numerous
calls=
..
>
> > > > > > > > > These "emergency call records," mentioned by the
unidentif=
ied
> > > > > > > > > telephone opreator, may have been given to the Dallas
Poli=
ce by the
> > > > > > > > > Area Commercial Manager of Southwestern Bell, Raymond A.
A=
cker. =A0Acker
> > > > > > > > > took the phone company records to the Dallas Police
Depart=
ment after
> > > > > > > > > the assassination and told the police they were proof of
c=
alls between
> > > > > > > > > Ruby and Oswald. =A0Acker said that after he gave the
reco=
rds to the
> > > > > > > > > Dallas Police, *he was told to go home and keep his
mouth =
shut.*
>
> > > > > > > > > Phone calls within the Dallas area, which included
Irving =
and Oak
> > > > > > > > > Cliff, were not toll calls and were not recorded by the
ph=
one
> > > > > > > > > company. =A0The only local calls that were recorded by
the=
phone company
> > > > > > > > > were "emergency" calls (which the operator said Ruby
place=
d to
> > > > > > > > > Oswald).
>
> > > > > > > > > Some of Jack Ruby's emergency phone call may have caused
O=
swald to
> > > > > > > > > return calls to the Carousel Club. =A0In the days
leading =
up to the
> > > > > > > > > assassination Ruby's handyman, Larry Crafard, received
man=
y calls from
> > > > > > > > > an unknown male who never identified himself of left a
mes=
sage.
> > > > > > > > > Crafard told the Warren Commission, "This gentleman
would =
call maybe
> > > > > > > > > two or threee times a day asking for Jack. =A0He would
ask=
where he
> > > > > > > > > could reach Jack. =A0It sounded like it was pretty
im****ta=
nt that he
> > > > > > > > > reach Jack, and that he would never leave a number where
J=
ack could
> > > > > > > > > call him back at." =A0When Crafard asked Ruby about
these =
strange
> > > > > > > > > telephone calls he was told to mind his own business.
>
> > > > > > > > > On November 26, 1963 Larry Crafard told SA John Flanagan
t=
hat Jack
> > > > > > > > > Ruby's home phone number was WHitehall 1-5601. =A0On
Novem=
ber 29, 1963
> > > > > > > > > Crafard told SA Theodore Cramer that Ruby's unlisted
home =
telephone
> > > > > > > > > number was WHitehall 1-1050. =A0Oswald's rooming house
was=
WH 3-8993.
> > > > > > > > > There is no indication the FBI checked telephone company
r=
ecords for
> > > > > > > > > emergency calls placed to or from these numbers.
>
> > > > > > > > > Harvey and Lee pgs. 768-9
>
> > > > > > > > > CJ
>
> > > > > > > > If there is any truth to this allegation, it would sup****t
t=
he thesis
> > > > > > > > that Ruby (with Craford's assistance) was setting Oswald
up =
to take
> > > > > > > > the blame for JFK's death.
>
> > > > > > > Yes it would, but not necessarily with Crafard's assistance.
=
=A0I believe
> > > > > > > there were many privy to Ruby and associates that frequented
t=
he Carousel
> > > > > > > as well as other places that were what I would call
outsider's=
.. =A0They were
>
> > > > > > You mean "outsiders".
>
> > > > > > > hearing stuff, but didn't have the wherewithal to get
involved=
.. =A0Crafard
> > > > > > > probably left town because he felt the heat (leaving the day
a=
fter the
> > > > > > > assassination with very little money in his pocket
hitchhiking=
up to
> > > > > > > Minnesota), but I wouldn't call him *in-on* the
assassination.=
=A0Karen
> > > > > > > Carlin, the stripper and Ruby aliber would be more of a
involv=
ee since she
> > > > > > > overheard assassination talk and told of it to the FBI a few
d=
ays after
> > > > > > > the assassination. =A0She was most probably silenced for
what =
she told and
> > > > > > > knew. =A0And Ruby even mentioned that in his testimony by
tell=
ing just that
> > > > > > > in a rhetorical way. =A0I believe there was one Oswald
setting=
up the other
> > > > > > > because they were a double agent team. =A0Ruby was friends
wit=
h the Oswald
> > > > > > > born in New Orleans, not the one who got the job at the
TSBD.
>
> > > > > > > > See my article "Creating A Patsy"
athttp://mcadams.posc.mu.e=
du/creatingapatsy.htm,
> > > > > > > > in which I discuss Craford/Crafard at length, whom I
intervi=
ewed in
> > > > > > > > Dec. 2001. =A0Also, see Joan Mellen's reference to Ruby
and =
Craford/
> > > > > > > > Crafard. =A0She claims that Ruby introduced Craford as
"Oswa=
ld" at the
> > > > > > > > club.
>
> > > > > > > And Beverly Oliver was introduced to Oswald at the Carousel
by=
Jack Ruby,
> > > > > > > as "Lee Harvey Oswald of the CIA."
>
> > > > > > I discuss that introduction in my article. =A0I asked Beverly
ab=
out it,
> > > > > > suggesting that she probably was introduced to
Craford/Crafard, =
but in her
> > > > > > written reply, she confused him with Crawford, another Ruby
asso=
ciate. =A0
> > > > > > She didn't remember Craford/Crafard, but her description
suggest=
s that's
> > > > > > who it was, given that Oswald was a lot better looking than
Craf=
ord/
> > > > > > Crafard. =A0As for the reference to the CIA, Craford/Crafard
did=
tell me he
> > > > > > had been involved in "black ops." after his release from the
Arm=
y, but was
> > > > > > vague about whom he was working for, but it likely was either
th=
e CIA or
> > > > > > Army Intelligence. =A0He even showed me a scar on his leg that
w=
as the
> > > > > > result of one of his missions. =A0He also told me he had been
a =
hitman in
> > > > > > San Francisco around 1961 I estimate. =A0He was asked about a
jo=
b in
> > > > > > Berkeley by the W.C. lawyers, but drew a blank. Griffin even
men=
tioned the
> > > > > > name of the company.
> > > > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0
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> > > > > Peter, there were several other Oswald sightings at the
Carousel, =
Jack
> > > > > Weston, Karen Carlin, Esther Mash...come to mind quickly and I
am =
sure the
> > > > > list would easily go to double digits with others that have
alread=
y come
> > > > > forward. =A0Curington, H.L Hunt's right hand man saw
Demoren****ldt=
, Oswald,
> > > > > Ruby and H.L, on "various occasions."
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> > > > I personally do not believe Oswald was ever at the Carousel,
unless =
he
> > > > skipped out of typing class to take a peek at the strippers.
=A0Craf=
ord told
> > > > me, for instance, that it wasn't Oswald who participated in a
hypoti=
st
> > > > act, but Craford himself. =A0I don't know if Craford was
pretending =
to be
> > > > Oswald at the club, or was introduced by Ruby as "Oswald", as Joan
M=
ellen
> > > > who not elaborate on her statement when I e- mailed her after
readin=
g the
> > > > references to Craford. =A0However, I think it is wishful thinking
to=
believe
> > > > that Oswald was spending his evenings at a nightclub, when his
landl=
ady
> > > > indicated he spent all his time in his room reading and phoning
his =
wife. =A0
> > > > And, of course, we know where he was on weekends. =A0All these
peopl=
e are
> > > > relying on vague memories of a young, slim, white guy who was at
the=
club,
> > > > and often in the company of Ruby. =A0The odds are heavily in
Craford=
's
> > > > favour. =A0Oddly enough, when I first wrote to Craford in 1989, he
i=
ndicated
> > > > in the reply written by his wife, ****rley, that he "vaguely"
recalle=
d
> > > > seeing Oswald at the club, but I suspect that he was trying to
****ft=
my
> > > > attention towards Oswald and away from him. =A0He also claimed
from =
the
> > > > outset and even when I interviewed him (in vain) that he left
Dallas=
on
> > > > Nov. 22 and not Nov. 23. =A0Now why would he want his wife and
famil=
y as
> > > > well as me to believe that? =A0- Peter R. Whitmey- Hide quoted
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> > > Yes, I had read your articles some months ago. =A0I don't think
Crafar=
d
> > > looks that much like Oswald as I have seen an online pic. =A0I plan
on=
> > > doing some more tie-ins's with Ruby and Oswald very soon, and that
> > > would extend in the Carousel and beyond. =A0I believe one of the
ones
> > > that commented on Oswald in the Carousel was either Bill DeMar or
Jack=
> > > Weston, who were the featured acts in the Carousel. =A0I think there
i=
s
> > > also a long interview with Shari Lynn (I may be mistaken on hte
name)
> > > online in an interview with Ian Griggs. =A0You might want to check
tha=
t
> > > one out. =A0David Reitzes also has a lot online about the two at his
> > > site.
>
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> > The alleged Oswald-Ruby connection obviously stems from the fact that
Ru=
by
> > shot Oswald, suggesting by that act that there was a conspiracy
between
> > them and that possibly Ruby didn't expect Oswald to get arrested.
=A0The=
n
> > all kinds of people started coming forward claiming to have seen
Oswald =
at
> > the club, or with Ruby at various places in Dallas, such as
restaurants,=
> > various stores, etc. =A0Since most people don't have very good
memories =
when
> > it comes to specific features, it would be easy for someone to have
> > confused Oswald and Craford, simply because they were both about the
sam=
e
> > height (Craford is shorter), both white, young, slim, with short hair.
=
=A0
> > Neither wore gl***** or had a moustache or beard. =A0Did they really
hav=
e to
> > look that much alike? - Peter
>
> I would think so. =A0I mean some of these people worked there for some
> good-length time periods. =A0How would one not be introduced and call
one =
by
> a name? =A0All of the witnesses had that experience. =A0The thing I am
als=
o
> interested in establi****ng, is not just Oswald and Ruby connected, but
> Oswald and Oswald connected, the two being not the same person and
totally=
> embedded withing Ruby and the assassination of JFK itself. =A0My
computer =
is
> getting sick and needs some anti-virus application, so I cannot surf
very
> well. =A0But I did pull up the Shari Angel interview this morning.
=A0Also=
, do
> you know that Crafard was employed very long or had any firm daily title
> or routine each day at the Carousel? =A0I thought he was just a
handyman?
>
> Shari Angel Interview, by Ian Griggs.
>
> http://www.jfklink.com/articles/Shari.html
>
> CJ
As I discuss in my article "Creating A Patsy", Craford arrived in Dallas
in early Oct. and met Ruby at the Texas State Fair. He was hired to work
at the club where he also slept, and appeared to have regular jobs mainly
cleaning up and getting things ready for the evening's show, such as
setting the lights, etc. He also sometimes worked at Ruby's sister's club
as a bartender. One of his regular jobs was to feed Ruby's dogs. He
spent all his time either at the club or doing errands for Ruby, and often
the two of them went out together to a restaurant or to Ruby's auto
mechanic, or elsewhere. Ruby also bought some clothes for Craford,
including a suit, at the Goodwill store, which he wore at work. I get the
impression that Ruby treated Craford like the son he never had, and
probably like the fact that he had a mob background.
-
Peter R. Whitmey
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