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Dale Myers debunks his own work.

by "pjspeare@[EMAIL PROTECTED] " <pjspeare@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 9, 2008 at 03:46 PM

Hidden within the recent attacks on my character by Dale Myers, posted on 
the alt.assassination.jfk newsgroup by David Von Pein, are several 
acknowledgments by Myers that I was correct about some key issues.

In Von Pein's May 1, 2008 post of an email by Myers, Myers writes "The 
movements of JBC and the jumpseat (as shown in the ABC/ History Channel 
program and the Discovery Channel program), demonstrating the differences 
between prominent conspiracy-based illustrations and reality, were done in

unison for clarity. Any charges to the contrary are false."

This is as good as a confession that Myers knew the jumpseat was not 6 
inches in from the door when he created animation showing it to be 6 
inches from the door. He now insists the center of Connally was 6 inches 
inboard of Kennedy, but that the jump seat on which he was riding was only

2 1/2 inches in from the door. I wonder how many millions of people, 
seeing Myers animation, and seeing Connally sitting comfortably in the 
middle of his chair in a direct line of a bullet exiting Kennedy's neck, 
suspected Myers and ABC and the Discovery Channel knew Connally was not 
sitting comfortably in his chair in the direct line of fire, but was 
inexplicably scooted way to his left, hanging off the edge of his seat? I 
wonder how many of them would have believed Myers' trajectories if it 
showed Connally in this position?  I wonder how many of them would feel 
deceived to find out that Connally's sitting comfortably in the middle of 
his seat was merely a Myers invention designed to "clarify" things for 
them?

Some might call this an out-and-out fraud perpetrated on the public.

In both Von Pein's May 1, 2008 email denouncing my criticisms, and a May 
8, 2008 post of a commentary by Myers from his website, Myers acknowledges

another mistake as well. In an effort to debunk my criticism of his using 
distorted images in his overhead views of the single-bullet theory, Myers 
has asserted:

"(Speer) continues to claim that the Connally (JBC) figure was shrunk (as 
was the jumpseat) to accomodate the SBT. He now uses images of my work 
culled from the Discovery Channel program "Beyond the Magic Bullet" to 
promote this nonsense. Even a cursory look at the images should tell 
anyone with a brain that the images used by Mr. Speer are at an angle to 
the viewer (i..e, the right side of the image is falling away from the 
viewer). This is due to the fact that the images are being filmed directly

off my computer monitor and that the camera filming these images is 
viewing the monitor at a considerable angle. This can be seen in any of 
the wide angle shots in which I am visible alongside the monitor (none of 
which, BTW, are included in Speer's presentation). If Mr. Speer had shown 
his viewers those wide angle views, it would be obvious that the reason 
JBC (and the jumpseat) appears smaller is because of the camera/monitor 
relationship."

While Myers attempted to insult my intelligence, he, in fact, overshot and

hit his supporters as well. I'd come forward with my complaints about the 
distorted images years ago. No one to my knowledge, including Myers, until

this response, had ever suggested the images were distorted because the 
animation--the animation shown round the world to convince people the 
single-bullet trajectories worked, mind you--was shot at an angle from a 
computer monitor. David Von Pein, one of my Myers' biggest supporters, 
still has trouble believing it.

Lost in the catcalls of Myers' supporters (ha ha ha--Myers called Pat 
stupid--ha ha ha) are the ramifications of his assertion. By admitting the

images used in the program were distorted, Myers is as much as admitting 
that his whole presentation in 2004's Beyond the Magic Bullet was 
irrelevant. No, it's actually much worse.  Since the program's creators 
added a trajectory angle onto Myers' distorted figures that lined up 
perfectly with their wounds, Myers is as much as admitting that the 
single-bullet theory--which he set out to prove some years ago--and which 
he calls the "single-bullet fact," does not work on undistorted figures.

While I've given Myers a hard time, and have received a substantial amount

of abuse in return, I believe Myers' acknowledgment of the failure of his 
animation to demonstrate the single-bullet theory, was probably worth it. 
Now we can all stop pretending the alignment of Kennedy and Connally, and 
thus the likelihood of the single-bullet theory, has been "proven".

Pat Speer, May 08, 2008




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"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-09 15:46:12 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-09 21:58:05 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-09 22:01:01 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-10 14:10:29 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 21:40:21 
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Herbert Blenner <a1eah  2008-05-25 19:47:59 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-26 23:37:56 
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Spiffy_one <baileynme@  2008-05-09 22:03:12 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-09 23:31:48 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-10 14:14:06 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-10 14:16:57 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-10 14:11:55 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 21:39:33 
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"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-10 14:12:32 
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"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-10 18:36:35 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-10 23:06:13 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-11 00:53:43 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-10 23:06:52 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 21:36:51 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-14 10:28:30 
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groovystuff@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-11 00:50:21 
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John Canal <John_membe  2008-05-11 18:49:00 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 18:52:53 
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groovystuff@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-11 00:51:32 
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cdddraftsman <cdddraft  2008-05-11 18:49:48 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-12 19:54:22 
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cdddraftsman <cdddraft  2008-05-11 18:50:18 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-12 00:21:49 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-12 19:54:05 
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geovulture@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-11 21:43:50 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-12 00:30:16 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-12 16:18:14 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-12 16:12:46 
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"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 19:46:55 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-13 02:16:29 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-13 18:25:41 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-12 23:38:07 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-13 02:24:43 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-13 10:35:07 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 10:39:17 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-13 23:36:20 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-14 12:05:22 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-17 13:46:34 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-17 23:14:22 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-14 22:56:35 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 10:37:12 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-15 10:41:38 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-15 20:27:04 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-16 10:21:52 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-13 10:32:14 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 23:35:18 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-13 10:36:18 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 18:32:09 
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clarkwilkins@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-15 01:08:15 
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Martijn Meijering <mme  2008-05-16 23:00:44 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-17 23:19:59 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-15 10:33:00 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-15 20:23:46 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-15 10:37:04 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-15 20:23:16 
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clarkwilkins@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-22 16:28:49 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-23 01:47:05 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 21:56:10 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-23 01:54:59 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 14:39:22 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-24 00:45:31 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:46:26 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-23 01:46:01 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 21:57:06 
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Herbert Blenner <a1eah  2008-05-23 14:35:01 
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geovulture@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-23 19:57:50 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 23:46:43 
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Herbert Blenner <a1eah  2008-05-23 23:49:17 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-23 23:52:30 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:46:45 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-26 23:38:34 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-27 14:12:24 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-28 10:34:27 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-29 16:18:11 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-24 10:43:41 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-24 14:32:19 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-24 23:08:16 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:25:27 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:52:23 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-25 23:24:30 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-26 23:40:58 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 07:51:04 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 08:20:54 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-27 12:55:17 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 21:40:08 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-29 14:54:51 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:44:35 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:46:04 
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"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-25 15:55:09 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 23:25:28 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-26 22:17:47 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 08:20:22 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-27 12:29:48 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 21:39:42 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-28 00:51:45 
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Russ Burr <rdcgbu@[EMA  2008-05-27 21:32:31 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-28 10:34:42 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-24 14:32:45 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:43:44 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:47:45 
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Herbert Blenner <a1eah  2008-05-24 23:00:57 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-06-03 17:53:05 
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