Re: VIRTUAL JFK: Vietnam Had Kennedy Lived

On May 9, 6:54=A0pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> billcla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 7, 7:26 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> billcla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> On May 5, 7:07 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>> billcla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>> On May 4, 5:41 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>> billcla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>> On May 2, 8:57 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>>> billcla...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>>>>>>>> On May 1, 7:49 pm, "Gerry Simone" <newdecent...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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te:
> >>>>>>>>>> But didn't JFK begin to plan for the removal?
> >>>>>>>>> Yes, NSAM 263, signed shortly before the assassination was a
=93=
plan=94
> >>>>>>>>> that would have had the =93bulk=94 (not =93all=94 as many will
t=
ell you) of
> >>>>>>>>> U.S. troops out of Vietnam by 1965. =A0The order says we,
=93sho=
uld be
> >>>>>>>>> able to withdraw the bulk of our troops=94 and not, =93We will
w=
ithdraw
> >>>>>>>>> our troops in 1965 as so many people will tell you.
> >>>>>>>>> This plan was based on the hope that the SVA would be trained
en=
ough
> >>>>>>>>> to take over our mission by 1965. =A0Well, they wasn=92t, the
SV=
G was a
> >>>>>>>>> mess in 1965 and the NVA units had come south by then so the
pla=
n
> >>>>>>>>> wouldn=92t have worked. =A0What JFK would have done when the
pla=
n failed
> >>>>>>>>> is left to history.
> >>>>>>>> But you are falsely assuming that the events of 1964 under
Johnso=
n would
> >>>>>>>> have been the same under JFK had he lived.
> >>>>>>> Certainly no more than you are falsely assuming that the events
of=

> >>>>>>> 1964 under Johnson would have been different under JFK had he
live=
d.
> >>>>>>> You have no crystal ball. =A0The most difficult problem in
Vietnam=
 1964
> >>>>>>> was the instable SVG caused by Diem=92s removal. =A0JFK promoted
D=
iem=92s
> >>>>>>> removal, LBJ was against it.
> >>>>>> Yes, I do. Because I saw first hand the difference that having
Kenn=
edy
> >>>>>> in office made. If it had been Nixon the US would have invaded
Cuba=
,
> >>>>>> Castro would have used his nukes and that would have been WWIII.
Ke=
nnedy
> >>>>>> was almost the only one in the room urging caution.
> >>>>> No Marsh, you certainly do not have a crystal ball. =A0You don=92t
k=
now
> >>>>> what Nixon would have done and you don=92t know if Castro could in
f=
act
> >>>>> have fired nuclear warheads. =A0The fact that you often claim,
=93wh=
at
> >>>>> would have happened=94 indicates arrogance much more than
knowledge =
or
> >>>>> scholarly research.
> >>>> Yes, I do. Because we know that Nixon was a war monger. It was
Nixon =
who
> >>>> authorized the assassination plots on Castro. He would have
accepted =
the
> >>>> advice from the JCS who probably would have been the same men
urging
> >>>> that Nixon bomb and invade Cuba. Castro would have no choice but to
> >>>> defend himself with the FROGs. That's exactly what they were there
fo=
r.
> >>> It didn=92t bother the Kennedy boys to continue those attempts.
=A0How=

> >> RFK stopped them when he found out.
>
> > That isn=92t what the History Channel says. =A0I believe several more
> > historians agree. =A0In fact, some say Bobby ran the show.
>
> Wrong. They are confusing the assassination program with Operation
Mongoos=
e.

Do you want me to contact the History Channel and Robert Dallek and
tell them they are confused or do you want to do it.

We must clear up this grievous misconception about Bobby.  We=92ll not
stand for such a smear!

Bill Clarke