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Re: Dale Myers debunks his own work.

by "Jas" <jstell1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 10, 2008 at 06:33 PM

Pat give it a rest. You haven't proved a thing, and if you have, it's like 
proving that Captain Fritz had worn a blue ****rt on November 22, 1963, as 
opposed to some that say he had a white ****rt on.

All added up in the overall context of the Kennedy assassination and the 
Oswald-acted-alone LN findings, it equals zip.

James

"pjspeare@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <pjspeare@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:a4985ad5-75ee-4e45-8e89-09378c27e7f0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hidden within the recent attacks on my character by Dale Myers, posted
on
> the alt.assassination.jfk newsgroup by David Von Pein, are several
> acknowledgments by Myers that I was correct about some key issues.
>
> In Von Pein's May 1, 2008 post of an email by Myers, Myers writes "The
> movements of JBC and the jumpseat (as shown in the ABC/ History Channel
> program and the Discovery Channel program), demonstrating the
differences
> between prominent conspiracy-based illustrations and reality, were done
in
> unison for clarity. Any charges to the contrary are false."
>
> This is as good as a confession that Myers knew the jumpseat was not 6
> inches in from the door when he created animation showing it to be 6
> inches from the door. He now insists the center of Connally was 6 inches
> inboard of Kennedy, but that the jump seat on which he was riding was
only
> 2 1/2 inches in from the door. I wonder how many millions of people,
> seeing Myers animation, and seeing Connally sitting comfortably in the
> middle of his chair in a direct line of a bullet exiting Kennedy's neck,
> suspected Myers and ABC and the Discovery Channel knew Connally was not
> sitting comfortably in his chair in the direct line of fire, but was
> inexplicably scooted way to his left, hanging off the edge of his seat?
I
> wonder how many of them would have believed Myers' trajectories if it
> showed Connally in this position?  I wonder how many of them would feel
> deceived to find out that Connally's sitting comfortably in the middle
of
> his seat was merely a Myers invention designed to "clarify" things for
> them?
>
> Some might call this an out-and-out fraud perpetrated on the public.
>
> In both Von Pein's May 1, 2008 email denouncing my criticisms, and a May
> 8, 2008 post of a commentary by Myers from his website, Myers
acknowledges
> another mistake as well. In an effort to debunk my criticism of his
using
> distorted images in his overhead views of the single-bullet theory,
Myers
> has asserted:
>
> "(Speer) continues to claim that the Connally (JBC) figure was shrunk
(as
> was the jumpseat) to accomodate the SBT. He now uses images of my work
> culled from the Discovery Channel program "Beyond the Magic Bullet" to
> promote this nonsense. Even a cursory look at the images should tell
> anyone with a brain that the images used by Mr. Speer are at an angle to
> the viewer (i..e, the right side of the image is falling away from the
> viewer). This is due to the fact that the images are being filmed
directly
> off my computer monitor and that the camera filming these images is
> viewing the monitor at a considerable angle. This can be seen in any of
> the wide angle shots in which I am visible alongside the monitor (none
of
> which, BTW, are included in Speer's presentation). If Mr. Speer had
shown
> his viewers those wide angle views, it would be obvious that the reason
> JBC (and the jumpseat) appears smaller is because of the camera/monitor
> relation****p."
>
> While Myers attempted to insult my intelligence, he, in fact, overshot
and
> hit his sup****ters as well. I'd come forward with my complaints about
the
> distorted images years ago. No one to my knowledge, including Myers,
until
> this response, had ever suggested the images were distorted because the
> animation--the animation shown round the world to convince people the
> single-bullet trajectories worked, mind you--was shot at an angle from a
> computer monitor. David Von Pein, one of my Myers' biggest sup****ters,
> still has trouble believing it.
>
> Lost in the catcalls of Myers' sup****ters (ha ha ha--Myers called Pat
> stupid--ha ha ha) are the ramifications of his assertion. By admitting
the
> images used in the program were distorted, Myers is as much as admitting
> that his whole presentation in 2004's Beyond the Magic Bullet was
> irrelevant. No, it's actually much worse.  Since the program's creators
> added a trajectory angle onto Myers' distorted figures that lined up
> perfectly with their wounds, Myers is as much as admitting that the
> single-bullet theory--which he set out to prove some years ago--and
which
> he calls the "single-bullet fact," does not work on undistorted figures.
>
> While I've given Myers a hard time, and have received a substantial
amount
> of abuse in return, I believe Myers' acknowledgment of the failure of
his
> animation to demonstrate the single-bullet theory, was probably worth
it.
> Now we can all stop pretending the alignment of Kennedy and Connally,
and
> thus the likelihood of the single-bullet theory, has been "proven".
>
> Pat Speer, May 08, 2008
>
 




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Dale Myers debunks his own work.
"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-09 15:46:12 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-09 21:58:05 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-09 22:01:01 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-10 14:10:29 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 21:40:21 
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Herbert Blenner <a1eah  2008-05-25 19:47:59 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-26 23:37:56 
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Spiffy_one <baileynme@  2008-05-09 22:03:12 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-09 23:31:48 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-10 14:14:06 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-10 14:16:57 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-10 14:11:55 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 21:39:33 
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"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-10 14:12:32 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-10 18:33:01 
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"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-10 18:36:35 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 21:37:38 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-10 23:06:13 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-11 00:53:43 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-10 23:06:52 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 21:36:51 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-14 10:28:30 
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groovystuff@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-11 00:50:21 
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John Canal <John_membe  2008-05-11 18:49:00 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 18:52:53 
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groovystuff@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-11 00:51:32 
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cdddraftsman <cdddraft  2008-05-11 18:49:48 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-12 19:54:22 
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cdddraftsman <cdddraft  2008-05-11 18:50:18 
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cdddraftsman <cdddraft  2008-05-11 18:50:52 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-12 00:21:49 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-12 19:54:05 
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geovulture@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-11 21:43:50 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-12 00:30:16 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-12 16:18:14 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-12 16:12:46 
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"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-12 19:46:55 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-13 02:16:29 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-13 18:25:41 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-12 23:38:07 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-13 02:24:43 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-13 10:35:07 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 10:39:17 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-13 23:36:20 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-14 12:05:22 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-17 13:46:34 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-17 23:14:22 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-14 22:56:35 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 10:37:12 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-15 10:41:38 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-15 20:27:04 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-16 10:21:52 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-13 10:32:14 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 23:35:18 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-13 10:36:18 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 18:32:09 
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clarkwilkins@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-15 01:08:15 
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Martijn Meijering <mme  2008-05-16 23:00:44 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-17 23:19:59 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-15 10:33:00 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-15 20:23:46 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-15 10:37:04 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-15 20:23:16 
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clarkwilkins@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-22 16:28:49 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-23 01:47:05 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 21:56:10 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-23 01:54:59 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 14:39:22 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-24 00:45:31 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:46:26 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-23 01:46:01 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 21:57:06 
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Herbert Blenner <a1eah  2008-05-23 14:35:01 
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geovulture@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-23 19:57:50 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 23:46:43 
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Herbert Blenner <a1eah  2008-05-23 23:49:17 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-23 23:52:30 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:46:45 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-26 23:38:34 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-27 14:12:24 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-28 10:34:27 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-29 16:18:11 
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David Von Pein <davevo  2008-05-24 10:43:41 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-24 14:32:19 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-24 23:08:16 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:25:27 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:52:23 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-25 23:24:30 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-26 23:40:58 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 07:51:04 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 08:20:54 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-27 12:55:17 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 21:40:08 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-29 14:54:51 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:44:35 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:46:04 
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"pjspeare@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-25 15:55:09 
Re: Dale Myers debunks his own work.
Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 23:25:28 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-26 22:17:47 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 08:20:22 
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"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-27 12:29:48 
Re: Dale Myers debunks his own work.
Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-27 21:39:42 
Re: Dale Myers debunks his own work.
"John Fiorentino&quo  2008-05-28 00:51:45 
Re: First vs. Second shot
Russ Burr <rdcgbu@[EMA  2008-05-27 21:32:31 
Re: First vs. Second shot
Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-28 10:34:42 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-24 14:32:45 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:43:44 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:47:45 
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Herbert Blenner <a1eah  2008-05-24 23:00:57 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-06-03 17:53:05 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-06-03 18:00:11 

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