Re: Dale Myers debunks his own work.

groovystuff@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> On May 10, 8:06 pm, WhiskyJoe <jr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> WhiskyJoe, Myers has admitted
>>> that the over-view featured in
>>> Beyond the Magic Bullet was
>>> inaccurate.
>> Questions for Pat Spear
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>> Question:
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>> Inaccurate in what way? What is the exact quote of this "admission",
>> or a link to his entire response?
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>> As far as I can tell, Myers has consistently claimed:
>>
>> * the bullet came in at a
>> horizontal angle of 10 degrees,
>> relative to the limousine.
>>
>> * the center of Connally is
>> seated six inches inboard of
>> Kennedy, just as the Powers
>> film, taken from the rear,
>> most clearly shows.
>>
>> * the edge of the jumpseat is
>> 2.5 inches from the door.
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>> Question:
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>> One or more of these statements have to be false, in order for his
>> model to be invalid. Which of these statements is invalid?
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>>> As far as your suggestion that
>>> the seat directly in front of
>>> Kennedy was 3 1/2 inches
>>> outside the door before Myers
>>> slid the seat over, and that
>>> his sliding the seat over put
>>> it in the proper position, I've
>>> already tested this, and shown
>>> it to be false. (All my work
>>> re Myers animation is in
>>> chapter 12c at patspeer.com.)
>> I checked out:
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>> http://www.patspeer.com/chapter12c%3Aanimania
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>> and found the following quote.
>>
>> "If so, the seat in his first image
>> was 3.5 inches OUTSIDE
>> the inside of the door.
>> Does this make any sense?"
>>
>> But clearly, that is what his model shows. It shows the jumpseat, in
>> the "BEFORE, Anti SBT" position, overlapping the door by 3.5 inches.
>> Can you not see that? Does not the seat overlap the heavy lines
>> showing the car door?
>>
>>> "Does this make any sense?"
>> Well, yes, it does. He is depicting the position re****ted in many Anti
>> SBT diagrams, most notably in the movie "JFK", of Connally sitting
>> directly in front of JFK. This required the jumpseat to overlap the
>> door. Don't blame Dale Myers for this. Go blame Robert Groden and
>> Oliver Stone.
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>> You still seem to insist that since the jumpseat slides 6 inches
>> between views, then the after view shows the jumpseat a full 6 inches
>> inboard from the car door. But this is clearly not true. It starts 3.5
>> inches to the right of the car door and ends up 2.5 inches from it,
>> after moving 6 inches.
>>
>>> I pointed out the animation
>>> was distorted. I accused him
>>> of deliberately distorting
>>> the animation images to make
>>> the single-bullet theory work.
>>> He responded by admitting that
>>> the animation was distorted on
>>> the program, but claimed that
>>> he had nothing to do with it.
>>> He said they'd simply filmed
>>> his monitor from a "considerable
>>> angle" and that this had
>>> distorted his images.
>> This is it? This is the best proof that Myer's work is distorted? If
>> you look at his model properly, it looks pretty good. But, if you look
>> at his model through a computer screen and the computer screen is seen
>> at an angle, then the model becomes distorted. Therefore, his model is
>> distorted.
>>
>> Is this the wave of the future of assassination research? Will Mantik
>> and White next claim that when viewed from an angle, the Zapruder film
>> clearly shows the spectators as being impossibly thin, thereby showing
>> the Zapruder film was tampered with?
>>
>> What about judging his model fairly. Why not judge it based on the
>> following sequence, during the first minute, where there is minimum
>> distortion, with the camera at right angles to the screen, not at a
>> large angle, as in the last few seconds, where the primary purpose is
>> to show Myers looking at his model, which has to be shown at an angle
>> to avoid just looking at the back of Myers head looking into the
>> screen.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kEh3Kgwhk0
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>> Where, in his model, is there a clear error?
>>
>> The ten degree horizontal angle of the bullet?
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>> The 6 inch horizontal separation between JFK and Connally?
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>> The position of the jumpseat?
> 
> WhiskyJoe, Jas, John Fiorentino, etc you need to go back and study the 
> limo model. The door next to Connally is most assuredly NOT 3 1/2 inches

> inboard of the right edge of Kennedy's seat. Myers never claims this. 
> Myers has as much as admitted that the seat was inaccurately moved 6 
> inches inboard of the door. He says this was because it was "easier."
than 
> showing Connally sitting to the left on a seat only 2 1/2 inches in from

> the door.
> 

His false claim is that Connally's midline was 6 inches to the left of 
Kennedy's midline. The problem is not just the jump seat. In fact he 
claims that the jump seat does not matter at all, just the relative 
positions of the bodies.


> I know it's hard to swallow. He's admitting the whole overview segment
of 
> his TV appearances were deliberately deceptive. He claims that the
proper 
> placement of Connally on his seat is irrelevant. He should have let the 
> viewers decide if Connally's position on the seat was of any im****tance,

> and if the position of Connally on the seat had any bearing on their 
> acceptance of the single-bullet theory.  But he did not. He showed them 
> Connally in the middle of his seat even though he knew Connally's seat
was 
> 3 1/2 inches closer to the door.
> 
> I realize this has little bearing on whether we should accept or deny
the 
> single-bullet theory. But I think it's im****tant we realize that it's
not 
> just wacky CTs who'll pull the wool over our eyes to make a buck and get

> their face on TV.
> 
> I'd debunk Myers even if I were an LN. If you look at my website, you'll

> see that I spend some time trying to show why I think the autopsy
doctors 
> were right and the Parkland witnesses wrong about the head wound. At
other 
> points I spend some time trying to show why I doubt there was shooter on

> the grassy knoll. My prime agenda is to bring some clarity to this whole

> assassination thing. Which is why Myers, and his deliberate (and now 
> admitted) distortions, makes me angry.
>