Re: Dale Myers debunks his own work.

WhiskyJoe wrote:

> WhiskyJoe:
> 
>>>"Before moving, the seat
>>>overlaps the door."
> 
> 
> David Von Pein:
> 
>>You could be right. It's kind
>>of hard to tell though (IMO).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If there is any doubt, should we not give Myers the benefit of the
doubt? 
> Or should we assume that Myers incorrectly positions the jumpseat
because 
> Pat Speare has repeatedly told us he did.
> 
> I've been told that Myer's has practically admitted as much that the 
> jumpseat is incorrectly positioned six inches inboard, but from what I
can 
> tell, he just said that he moved Connally and the jumpseat six inches.
He 
> never admitted or claimed he has the jumpseat six inches from the door.
> 
> But, in truth, there is no need to give Mr. Myers the benefit of the 
> doubt. There is no serious doubt. His video
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kEh3Kgwhk0
> 
> shows two heavy lines, which the jumpseat crosses over in the "Before" 
> position. Those heavy lines have to represent the door. The inboard
heavy 
> line is the edge of the door at floor level, the outboard heavy is the 
> edge of the door up high. 

Look at the side glass panel immediately in front of the door. That 
panel is in the same line as the door glass so it marks the middle of 
the door. Myers' initial position of the jump seat is well inside that 
line. There is no way that anyone can claim the jump seat is shown 
outside the car.

Myers made a mistake. He should admit it. He should also give us his 
numbers (distances, angles). I am not sure why he refuses to divulge 
that information.

Andrew Mason

The lines continue the length of the passenger
> compartment and are roughly flushed with Kennedy's seat and the front
seat 
> which Kellerman and Greer sat on. Kennedy's seat overlaps the inboard 
> line, as it may very well have done, since the back seat may have
extended 
> slightly beyond the interior boundary at floor level.
> 
> 
> 
> What else can these heavy lines represent? Not the door itself but some 
> sort of force field generated by the door? Of course not. They represent

> the door, the boundary of the interior of the limousine.
> 
> They can't be the glass in the door. This is clearly shown to be
outboard 
> of both of the lines in question.
> 
> *******************************
> 
> Of course, if Mr. Myers is in error, if the two lines represent
something 
> else, like the edge of the interior carpet or fuel lines and he really 
> does have the jumpseat six inches from the door, which I guess is not 
> shown in his model, then we should acknowledge his error, even though it

> has no real bearing since his work was primarily based on the positions
of 
> Kennedy and Connally seen in the Zapruder film, the jumpseat is never
even 
> visible in the Zapruder film. However, I see no evidence that Mr. Myers 
> was in anyway in error about the position of the jumpseat and a good
deal 
> of evidence showing that he had the jumpseat positioned correctly, 2.5 
> inches from the door.
> 
> *******************************
> 
> David Von Pein:
> 
>>But if that is the case, it would
>>explain the discrepancy much better.
> 
> 
> It certainly would explain the discrepancy much better. There would be
> no discrepancy. Only continuous confusion on Mr. Speare's part. Which
> we do not have to take part in.
>