On May 15, 9:32=A0am, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Cheap diversionary tactic, Dave.
> LNers love to try to smear CTs by associating them with UFOs.
> The Pope is less idiotic--and declares belief in ETs perfectly OK.
and you declare belief in the pope idiotic so what?
>
> Martin
>
> "Dave Reitzes" <dreit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 2, 7:28 pm, howardp <ho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > On Apr 30, 11:02?pm, Dave Reitzes <dreit...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > Hi, Howard.
>
> > > Did you author these?
>
> > In fact, I did not respond to David R's question about several e-
mails,=
> > but he publishes anyway. Whether or not I wrote any of the several
10-ye=
ar
> > old posts he sent me, it was clear to me that he will use any tactic
at
> > all -- in this case, trying to smear me as a UFO nut in his
intellectual=
> > inquiries. I would prefer to debate the issues at hand, of course, but
n=
ot
> > with someone for whom attempted character assassination is regarded as
a=
> > viable tool of debate.
>
> > While I have your wandering attention, David, please remove from your
We=
b
> > site a 5-year-old outline I sent around to my then-associates. It was
> > never more than a working do***ent. It was never intended for
publicatio=
n.
> > It was like a re****ter's notes. I can't and won't vouch for the truth
of=
> > any of it, as it was not a public post, and it contains material I
later=
> > determined was not true. I have the right to get things straight,
don't =
I,
> > before I go public? Possibly even the obligation (though you never let
> > that stop you). If it is not removed immediately, this notice should
> > suffice to render your inaction grounds for litigation.
>
> > Nothing surprises me about the (lack of) ethics of your tactics or
your
> > tortured rationales for them. Correct me if I am wrong, but you and/or
> > McAdams were also involved in the publication of copyrighted material,
> > weren't you, specifically an early draft of an early book that was
stole=
n
> > by Dutch hackers? You do know this made you an accessory to extortion,
> > don't you?
>
> > Apparently, the censors of this group have not yet seen fit to write
> > ethical guidelines more exacting that McAdams's judgement that a word
or=
> > two is offensive to HIM. Do you have at least one rule of professional
> > conduct you follow, or do you simply skip each ethical question that
com=
es
> > along? More likely, you don't even notice them. It's easy to shoot
from
> > the hip and sound clever and much more difficult to engage in real
> > discussion. You're a clever guy.
>
> > Hey, David -- I WAS ABDUCTED BY ALIENS OVER 100 TIMES. THAT'S WHY I
CAN'=
T
> > GET THE JFK ASSASSINATION STRAIGHT.
>
> > H
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.paranet.ufo/browse_thread/thread/a...
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> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.paranet.ufo/msg/36d9ce14209c7fd4?d...
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> From: ho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: UFO Technology/Alternative Theories =A0 =A0 =A0Rumors/
> Specifications/Theories/Ideas
> Date: 1999/01/27
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> I'm having a terrible time remembering the name of the author, but a
> book
> called "Unconventional Flying Objects" came out a year or two ago by a
> NASA
> engineer (Hill?) who claims to have processed UFO re****ts for NASA,
> not
> officially looking into the phenomenon. =A0The book was written in the
> 1970s but
> published posthumously. =A0It includes physics lectures beyond my
> ability to
> follow, but "Hill" was a propulsion expert and his book is a highly
> detailed
> analysis of plausible propulsion systems for UFOs as well as
> debunkings of
> various misunderstandings about the nature of space travel. =A0If you
> haven't
> seen it, you must.
> - Howard
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> From: ho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: This NG has gone to hell.
> Date: 1997/06/24
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> 1. Is there a better newsgroup on the subject?
>
> 2. I'm new to this subject on the Net. =A0Has anyone discussed Corso's
> book,
> which would seem to be definitive re Roswell -- unless he isn't who he
> says he is.
>
> 3. Could his book have prompted the new AF re****t?
>
> 4. Do you know how to get a copy of the AF? =A0Is it online?
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> From: ho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Howpl)
> Subject: Corso book
> Date: 1997/07/18
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> I tried to get a dialogue going on Corso's book in the sci.skeptic
> group
> with no success. =A0How about you folks?
>
> For those who haven't read it, here's the teaser -- meant only as an
> enticement to read, i.e., don't judge the book by this summary alone.
> [That would fail to take into account the entirety of the evidence - a
> scientific no-no. =A0Right?]
>
> As head of the Foreign Technology section of the Army, Corso claims to
> have used his office as examiner of foreign -- i.e., German technology
> --
> as the perfect cover for a deeper agenda: analyzing Roswell
> debris/technology (foreign =3D alien in this case), which he "harvested"
> and
> covertly seeded to scientists working at major defense contractors.
> Night
> vision, lasers, fiber optics, and other technological developments
> were
> boosted by the "reverse engineering" he encouraged and funded. =A0NBC's
> Dateline did a segment on Corso a few weeks ago but was typically
> superficial and did not lay a glove on him. =A0Now in his 80s, it's
> doubtful
> he wrote the book for the fame and fortune that may tempt younger
> hoaxers.
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> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/browse_thread/thread/35721...
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> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/ce83e9e75c5c362f?dmode...
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> From: ho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Howpl)
> Subject: Of Corso
> Date: 1997/07/17
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> Of course, all you compulsive debunkers out there have heard of Col.
> Corso's book The Day After Roswell by now. =A0Will those who have read
> it
> now please proceed to debunk it? =A0If no hoax, this would be a very
> high-level confirmation of the Roswell story and so much more.
>
> For those who haven't read it, here's the teaser -- meant only as an
> enticement to read, i.e., don't judge the book by this summary alone.
> [That would fail to take into account the entirety of the evidence - a
> scientific no-no. =A0Right?]
>
> As head of the Foreign Technology section of the Army, Corso claims to
> have used his office as examiner of foreign -- i.e., German technology
> --
> as the perfect cover for a deeper agenda: analyzing Roswell
> debris/technology (foreign =3D alien in this case), which he "harvested"
> and
> covertly seeded to scientists working at major defense contractors.
> Night
> vision, lasers, fiber optics, and other technological developments
> were
> boosted by the "reverse engineering" he encouraged and funded. =A0NBC's
> Dateline did a segment on Corso a few weeks ago but was typically
> superficial and did not lay a glove on him. =A0Now in his 80s, it's
> doubtful
> he wrote the book for the fame and fortune that may tempt younger
> hoaxers.
>
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> From: ho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Howpl)
> Subject: Re: Of Corso
> Date: 1997/07/18
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> The assertion that Corso's book has a lot of "filler" is certainly not
> a
> criticism that applies to your response. =A0In fact, I would say there's
> nothing, abolutely nothing, to your response. =A0Filler would lift it to
> another substantive level entirely.
>
> Now, will the bright lights in this skeptics group please respond to
> those
> parts of Corso's book that are clearly not filler.
>
> By the way, I agree that not every chapter is filled with lurid tales
> of
> alien ***ual abuse and that I longed for a bit of the ***y stuff as
> his
> technology-by-technology narrative churned on -- but, damn it, the guy
> maintains he got his leads from the Roswell files in his possession!
>
> Sure, his descriptions of how he "seeded" industry is fairly
> pedestrian,
> but it is detailed. =A0You know, you can't win with this group: =A0if
> someone
> writes an over-the-top book, he's a kook. =A0If it's like Corso's, he
> gets
> chided for all the dull "filler." Just address the substance,
> please.
>
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