Re: Bullets, Magic & other

On May 16, 10:13=A0pm, "Jas" <jste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> thaliacole, why did you ask the question of this forum in the first
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if
> you had already made up your mind as to the answer? This leads me to
belie=
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> you are simply taunting the point by "asking" the question just so you
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> cork off with conspiracy rants.
>
> I didn't say they would be "exactly" alike, I was simply pointing out
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> the odds say no two bullets, even two of the same caliber, weight, load,
a=
nd
> manufacturer, will ever come out the same. One may be smashed up
entirely,=

> another of the same bullet may be warped, flattened, bent, fragmented,
or
> any combination thereof. And each time you fire a pair of the same type
of=

> bullets, those two bullets will end up with totally different
> characteristics as the previous two, and so on. The only visual
> characteristics that will remain constant among all the bullets are, if
> fired from the same weapon, the rifling marks and the lands and grooves,
b=
ut
> those are only identifiable if a bullet remains intact enough to be able
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o
> see these under a microscope.
>
> In the Kennedy case the bullet that struck him in the head fragmented
> because, generally speaking, the human head and skull is a much denser
> object than the softer flesh of the two bodies that CE399 passed
through,
> excepting of course the bones it glanced off of in Connally's torso and
> wrist.
>
> Just because the two bullets ended up differently in the Kennedy case
> absolutely does not in any way mean they were two different types of
> bullets, as you proposed.
>
> James
>
> <thaliac...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 16, 8:21 am, "Jas" <jste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > thaliacole asked: "How do Lone Theorists reconcile that one of the
bulle=
ts
> > allegedly used by Oswald smashed through two men, their clothes and
brok=
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> > bones and came out the other end virtually unscathed, with no bodily
> > fluids on it (and with its grooves intact - a miracle event against
all
> > odds) and the other bullet allegedly used by Oswald on Kennedy
> > disintegrated on impact? How could two bullets supposedly the same
react=

> > in such a different fa****on from each other?"
>
> > Ok, I'll play along on this one, even though it's been asked and
explain=
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> > within the context of the Kennedy assassination at least 5,000 times
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> > 1963.
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> > Quite simply, the odds dictate -- and are astronomical -- that no 2
> > bullets will end up the same way, even when hitting the same kind of
> > target and with the exact same weapon and ammunition and range. You
must=

> > know that by now...
>
> > In the Kennedy shooting there were two different types of targets, one
> > involved two human bodies, and the other, one human head. These
differen=
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> > types of targets, although both human bodies, obviously contributed to
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> > differences.
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> > If you're looking for numbers, you can probably ask Herbert Blenner,
or
> > other mathematicians here what the odds are that two bullets will come
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> > exactly the same.
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> > Actually, I'd like to see that too...
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> > James
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> > <thaliac...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > How do Lone Theorists reconcile that one of the bullets allegedly
used=

> > > by Oswald smashed through two men, their clothes and broke bones and
> > > came out the other end virtually unscathed, with no bodily fluids on
> > > it (and with its grooves intact - a miracle event against all odds)
> > > and the other bullet allegedly used by Oswald on Kennedy
disintegrated=

> > > on impact? How could two bullets supposedly the same react in such a
> > > different fa****on from each other?- Hide quoted text -
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> I don't expect them to be the same!! Please don't twist what I am saying
> to suit your own agenda. However, you wouldn't expect one bullet to be
> virtually perfect (and yes I know there was lead squeezed out and it was
> slightly flattened - that could happen by firing the bullet into water
or
> cotton wadding) and the other to disintegrate. It seems more likely that
> two different bullets were used. In fact I think it is more likely that
> CE399 was a bullet that struck Kennedy in the back and fell out (that,
> however, doesn't explain no bodily matter being found on the bullet.)
> Kennedy was shot in the throat from the front. Then another sniper using
a=

> dum dum bullet got Kennedy in the head.
>
> PS How does a bullet do so much damage (at least to Connally) and still
> have its grooves intact? Unheard of! I 'spose it is just another one of
> those unlikely happenings in a long line of unlikely happenings you must
> believe in order to be a Lone Nut believer.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

No, I havent made up my mind about all the facts surrounding the case. I 
do believe in conspiracy, I do not deny that. I have not, as yet, spent a 
great deal of time examining the ballistics in the case, and as I think of

a question, I post it. There were lots of "fragments" found, including in 
the limosine, in Connally's thigh and wrist and apparently a bullet or 
bullet fragment that was big enough to be heard fell out onto the floor 
during Connally's operation (according to Connally's autobiography) 
Connally dies with bullet fragments still embedded in his thigh. But, we 
have this mysterious, almost pristine bullet found on someone elses 
stretcher in Parkland with no organic material on it (it should have has 
something on it to begin with) and only four grams lighter! C'mon!!

Hoover said in a re****t that the bullet fragments found and tested, were 
"similar" in composition. Sorry, they need to be identical.

Please reread your post. You said, "If you're looking for numbers, you can

probably ask Herbert Blenner, or other mathematicians here what the odds 
are that two bullets will come out exactly the same.

Actually, I'd like to see that too..."

Again, I don't expect them to be exactly the same. Lots of bullets go 
through heads without disintegrating, bullets are designed not to splinter

(which is considered cruel) Dum Dum bullets are outlawed by the Geneva 
convention. But the bullet that hit Kennedy behaved like a dum dum.