On May 15, 1:21 pm, curtjester1 <curtjest...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 14, 7:55 pm, clarkwilk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> > On May 14, 7:30 am, "Conrad W. Paul" <cwp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> > > It astounds me that everyone says Oswald was paid by the CIA, yet
offer no
> > > hard proof/evidence from the CIA, FBI,GOA for a specific
transactional
> > > moment linked to the assasination aside from blatant subjective
supposition
> > > and inuendo.
>
> > As a CTer, I looked for years for evidence of Lee secretly being paid
by
> > an outside source, be it a gov't agency or even the mafia. I couldn't
> > find any evidence he received a single penny. I shared this
conclusion
> > with a major CTer on this forum in private (he may not want me to name
> > him) and he admitted that he too had no evidence of payments to Lee.
We
> > both concluded Lee was a willing participant to a conspiracy (I have
Lee
> > in the SN. He does not.). Yet we also had to conclude he was an
unpaid
> > volunteer.
>
> > This actually fits in better with LN thinking than CT as it requires
the
> > type of personality LNers attribute to Oswald. I further examined Lee
to
> > determine if he was being blackmailed into his participating as the
> > op****tunity existed for Lee to be recalled to Active Duty and then
tried
> > by the USMC for his defection (Threatening to provide the Soviets with
> > military information would have been sufficient grounds alone for Lee
to
> > get ten years at hard labor.). Yet careful study of his actions were
more
> > consistent with them being voluntary versus involuntary. I eventually
> > concluded Lee leaned towards a suicidal mindset (My learned colleague
> > above disagrees.) willing to pull a trigger if he felt the political
cause
> > justified his personal sacrifice. Thus, money was not an object.
>
> > And while US intelligence have their fingerprints all over Oswald, he
was
> > not acting under their authority on 11/22/63 in regards to JFK being
> > assassinated. The presence of those "fingerprints" keep complicating
> > things for CTer's who want to make this connection while the thought
that
> > Lee can be a single shooter in a conspiracy appears to be an
impossible
> > thought for LNer's to comprehend.
>
> > Good luck.
>
> > ::Clark::
>
> While you may not have concrete evidence of LHO receiving money, there
are
> ones that said he did. Richard Case Nagell
I'm very much aware of Nagell. You can actually trace Nagell's
whereabouts by the VA hospitals he checked into while developing his
disability case. He evidently didn't think someone like me would
connect the dots (But then, he doesn't quite have all his marbles
either.).
I actually did confirm three of Nagell's claims and was able to find
another individual who did the same Mexico work Nagell claimed to do
but he did not know Nagell. But, having disproved other Nagell
claims, he has a credibility problem. If you wish to cite him as a
serious witness, Dave Reitzes is waiting. About the best you can do
with Nagell is cite him as a secondary witness and not as a primary
witness. You've just cited him as a primary witness to LHO being
paid. I'm willing to bet that pig won't fly.
>and those who saw LHO outside
> of Alba's garage would say different.
"Those" suggest more than one. Do you you have more than one?
I know the incident to wich you refer which may or may not have
happened. Lee was handed an envelope by a man in a car rented by the
gov't in a garage. Do I believe it contained money? No.
I have to ask how Lee, with no phone, knew he was supposed to be
waiting for a gov't agent in a green rental car in a garage to hand
him an envelope?
Because if they mailed him the instruction to meet the car, why didn't
they just mail the envelope to him?
>You might ask, how is one who
> basically has no way of obtaining 'outside money' be capable of
traveling
> all these long distances, quite often, always seeming able to live
> comfortably and raise a family on minimum wage type jobs?
He "stiffed" his landlord for his September, 1963 rent in order to
travel to MC.
The WC looked for evidence that Lee was paid by an outside source in
order to meet his expenses and found none. I looked for evidence Lee
was paid by an outside source and found none. I'm convinced it does
not exist.
There is, indeed, outside aid provided Lee. It can be shown two
different ways but neither aid source involves money.
> I think you are
> trying to force a 'non-guilt' umbrella for LHO in this terrible
> assassination.
I don't know what this means. As a CTer, I believe in conspiracy. In
debating LNer's here, I'm holding a royal flush and the LNer's are
holding a pair of deuces. They have nothing. It's their own site and
they can't win a debate. But if I wish to claim Lee's innocence of
any part, then it's me that's holding the two deuces. I've got
nothing.
You have to consider both sides are holding plenty of evidence -
enough that neither side can prove the other wrong. When that
happens, you have to change the theory to fit the evidence of both
sides. Claiming Lee was an innocent "putz" won't fly. Did Subway
sell two foot long sandwhiches in 1963?
> I would say that he was set up for patsying purposes to
> ****eld the real perpetrators against JFK, but does this abslove one of
> complicity in this crime? Two things point to some complicity. The
> conspirators would sure like to have LHO out of the way within the
> confines of the TSBD to insure that guilt could be thrown his way. If
not
> then they would have to deal with a small conspiracy potential, and a
much
> more difficulty in covering up the case.
A conspiracy couldn't be sure he wouldn't be standing outside the TSBD
- say next to Billy Lovelady?
> The second is the fact that when
> he was taken home in the cab he could have been let off right in front
of
> his abode, but chose instead to have the driver keep going and be let
off
> a good half mile down the road. That was a 6.5 minute walk for me.
Lee wasn't stupid. He was well TRAINED. He knew where he lived. He
had the taxi take him past his roominghouse on purpose. It allowed
him to see if the police were there waiting for him. Had he not done
this, and his taxi had stopped to let him off at his roominghous and
the police had been there, Lee would have been in custody before he
could shoot Tippit.
And - Yes - even though I'm a CTer, I believe Lee shot Tippit in cold
blooded murder.
He shot him for the same reason he had the taxi take him past his
roominghouse. He was expecting patrol cars to be looking for him in
this area.
> Those two things, plus the fact that he was moving from seat to seat in
> the Texas Theater,
He knew there were police cars outside. It was while hiding in a shoe
store doorway from one that he drew attention to himself.
> and some of his subsequent actions and interviewing
> would lead me to believe he was at least knowledgable of the conspiracy.
There you go. Lee is not a "patsy". He's a voluntary "fall guy".
But, with $ 13, we can't claim he's being paid.
> (e.g. knowing about and volunteering about the Rambler and Mrs. Paine,
and
> the "now they will know who I am" statement).
Lee made several key statements that should alert LNer's that they've
been had. They should paint the word "Sucker" on their foreheads,
admit defeat, and be done with it.
Just a thought.
::Clark::
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