Re: Z-film, JFK Forward Motion @ 230

clarkwilkins@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 15, 7:44 am, markina...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
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>>On May 14, 9:57 pm, clarkwilk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
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>>>This is correct.  The response to choking is to raise the elbows and
lean
>>>forward. JFK is engaged in a classic response. You can even see him
inhale
>>>before coughing into his right hand.  However, Gil is incorrect to
imply
>>>that JFK is "trying to cough up a bullet."  There is no bullet in his
>>>throat to "cough up".  He is trying to clear his throat of blood that
has
>>>seeped into it from the throat wound.
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>>I'll accept that as a possibility. I hadn't considered seepage of
>>blood as an obstruction. It still seems peculiar why he remained
>>essentially motionless between Z-235 to Z-312 though. If it was a gag
>>reflex, it could have continued to cause similar abrupt motions beyond
>>the initial motion that begins at Z-230.
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> 
> What, exactly, would you expect in those 4 seconds?
> If you cough, and your throat clears, how long before it plugs again?
> 
> If you wish to claim LN theory is correct, how come JFK doesn't regain
> control of his arms in those 4 seconds?
> 
> 
>>I directed some friends a few nights ago to my youtube clip, and their
>>13-year old son watched it. I did not say anything to him prior to
>>viewing it, only that I wanted them to watch it and tell me what they
>>think is happening. This young man watched it several times and said,
>>"It looks like he's getting shot in the back." I reminded that group
>>that the slow-motion versions will deceive their brain into slowing
>>down their perception of time, and the most im****tant version is the
>>real-time speed, as the camera and the eye sees it actually happen.
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> 
> We've all seen the film.  It's useful only for showing when responses
> occurred and not when bullets hit.
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>>>We find ourselves placing the first shot circa Z160 for
>>>JFK's back wound.  In spite of LNer claims to the contrary, there is
ZERO
>>>evidence of a shot fired here (It doesn't mean it didn't happen but
>>>there's no evidence of it.).
>>
>>http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100shot6.html
>>
>>The above website contains two excellent clips showing both JFK and
>>JBC turning abruptly left to right, and it can be easily interpreted
>>that they heard a shot.
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> 
> They turned to the right to wave to the people on the right.  It's
> what they do.  The people on the right are IN THE FILM.  Why aren't
> they turning abruptly to their left at the sound of a shot?
> 
> The "Z160" evidence is totally imaginary.  Dave Reitzes has tried to
> sup****t this claim of Posner's.  Check out his evidence.  Then compare
> it to the actual film and the testimony of the fifth floor witnesses.
> The fifth floor witnesses describe quite clearly when the first shot
> was fired.  Are they liars?  The film shows the crowd's heads.  Is
> everyone except JFK and JBC deaf?

All good points. More to consider:

- why did no witness say that immediately after the first "horrible 
ear-shattering noise" (as described by Mary Woodward), JFK and Jackie 
turned to the crowd on their right and smiled and waved?

- why did at least 16 witnesses say that JFK reacted immediately by 
bringing his hands to his neck and moving left? (see: 
http://www.dufourlaw.com/jfk/first_shot_hit_witnesses.pdf

- why did no witness say that the first shot occurred before z186?

- why did at least 22 witnesses say that the first shot occurred after 
z186? (see: http://www.dufourlaw.com/jfk/first_shot_location_witnesses.pdf
)

- why did at least 48 witnesses distinctly recall that the last two 
shots were in rapid succession noticeably closer together than 1 and 2? 
Since JFK is reacting 5 seconds before the last shot, this evidence is 
inconsistent with a first shot miss. (see: 
http://www.dufourlaw.com/jfk/shot_pattern_evidence.pdf
)

- why does JBC not turn his head to see JFK until after z230? How can he 
possibly be trying to see JFK around z190?

Andrew Mason




























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> Just a thought.
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