Martin,
It has been repeatedly demonstrated that you do depend on what Judyth
tells you for many things. So why take such offense when people point it
out?
Much of Judyth's story depends on her say so. It is otherwise
undo***ented. So her credibity is very much an issue.
Michael
"Martin Shackelford" <mshack4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Nice to see you haven't abandoned your mantra, Barb.
> Don't let reality get in your way.
>
> Martin
>
> "Barb Junkkarinen" <barbREMOVEjfk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> On 22 May 2008 04:09:28 -0400, "Martin Shackelford"
>> <mshack4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>You are assuming that there was only one "melanogenesis paper," Barb.
>>>You are certainly jumping to a lot of conclusions lately.
>>
>> And you know there were two papers because? The only answer, of
>> course, since you have not seen any papers ...is because Judyth told
>> you so.
>>
>> Judyth says "jump" and you don't even as "how high?" ... you just do
>> it.
>>>
>>>Martin
>>>
>>>"Barb Junkkarinen" <barbREMOVEjfk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>> On 20 May 2008 20:40:49 -0400, jfk297x@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 19, 2:31 pm, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> The melanogenesis paper wasn't the one she presented at the final
>>>>>> session
>>>>>> at Roswell Park, Pam. Not sure where you got that idea. It was
>>>>>> written
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> St. Francis College, based on work she did there.
>>>>>
>>>>>The subject was the same -- melanogenesis -- and it is likely that
the
>>>>>thesis was the same. There was not much time between RP and the Oct
>>>>>presentation of the paper for significant new research, was there?
>>>>>Judyth
>>>>>didn't start cl***** until mid-September.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that would seem to be a problem, wouldn't it? :-)
>>>>
>>>> And when Martin mused where you got the idea that she presented the
>>>> melanogenesis paper at Roswell ... why didn't you tell him that you
>>>> got it from what Judyth said herself, in her book?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <jfk2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On May 16, 9:18 am, "Martin Shackelford" <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> I've seen no sign whatsoever of that, Barb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Of course not. Barb has yet to comprehend the significance of
her
>>>>>> > tracking down Judyth's paper on melanogenisis. That alone
>>>>>> > corroborates
>>>>>> > the fact that the paper was not only presented once, but two or
>>>>>> > three
>>>>>> > different times, the first being at RP. That being the case, the
>>>>>> > entire
>>>>>> > concept of a 'dismissal' is ridiculous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> "Barb Junkkarinen" <barbREMOVE...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>news:eq9p24d55iavk9nqqqlmumf88av29kknbm@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > On 15 May 2008 16:14:20 -0400, "Martin Shackelford"
>>>>>> >> > <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>Judyth did present a list of witnesses to her presentation of
>>>>>> >> >>her
>>>>>> >> >>paper
>>>>>> >> >>at
>>>>>> >> >>the final session. Not of any interest to you, apparently. Not
>>>>>> >> >>the
>>>>>> >> >>kind
>>>>>> >> >>of
>>>>>> >> >>witnesses you're looking for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> > Oh, to the contrary, Martin, I am very interested in any
>>>>>> >> > witnesses
>>>>>> >> > to
>>>>>> >> > any final session where papers were presented. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>"Barb Junkkarinen" <barbREMOVE...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
message
>>>>>> >> >>news:cmtb24d35segjm0d90prq4jmhf9gdv0ug0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> >> >>> On 10 May 2008 14:15:04 -0400, Steve Thomas
>>>>>> >> >>> <misledrks...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>> Did Roswell Park ever retract the information sent out
>>>>>> >> >>>> saying
>>>>>> >> >>>> Judyth
>>>>>> >> >>>>had been dismissed from the summer program? Id like to see
>>>>>> >> >>>>some
>>>>>> >> >>>>evidence if they did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Roswell Park has not retracted the information given to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> No evidence of them having retracted it to anyone has been
>>>>>> >> >>> posted
>>>>>> >> >>> and
>>>>>> >> >>> Judyth posted a statement acknowledging Dr. Mirand told a
>>>>>> >> >>> coup[le
>>>>>> >> >>> researchers that she had been dismissed ..... for a "housing
>>>>>> >> >>> violoation."
>>>>>> >> >>> No researcher has stepped forward, though I have asked
several
>>>>>> >> >>> times,
>>>>>> >> >>> to confirm that Dr. Mirand told them Judyth was dismissed
for
>>>>>> >> >>> a
>>>>>> >> >>> "housing violation."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Judyth, of course, went on to explain that she had finished
>>>>>> >> >>> the
>>>>>> >> >>> program in grand style anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> IFFFFF Dr. Mirand had told ANY of them that Judyth had been
>>>>>> >> >>> dismissed
>>>>>> >> >>> from the program for a "housing violation" but that she had
>>>>>> >> >>> completed
>>>>>> >> >>> the program anyway, and in grand style .... that info would
>>>>>> >> >>> have
>>>>>> >> >>> been
>>>>>> >> >>> posted so fast that the handset on the phone wouldn't have
had
>>>>>> >> >>> time
>>>>>> >> >>> to
>>>>>> >> >>> cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> I've asked both Pamela and Martin just where the "housing
>>>>>> >> >>> violation"
>>>>>> >> >>> thing came from. If it's not what either of them or Martin's
>>>>>> >> >>> "California researcher" were told by Mirand ... then did
that
>>>>>> >> >>> "housing
>>>>>> >> >>> violation" story come from ... Judyth?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> So, no ... the RP statement that Judyth did not complete the
>>>>>> >> >>> program
>>>>>> >> >>> but was dismissed has NOT been retracted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> And no ... there has been no evidence posted of anything as
>>>>>> >> >>> regards
>>>>>> >> >>> any info any of them got from Dr. Mirand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Bests,
>>>>>> >> >>> Barb :-)
>>>>>
>>>
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