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Re: Missing the first shot

by claviger <historiae.fides@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 28, 2008 at 10:30 PM

Andrew,

I think your theory is very interesting. The method you use to find a shot

between z224 and z313 that matches the auricular perception of a majority 
of witnesses is a good example of deductive logic based on the premise 3 
shots were fired and all 3 hit targets separately, and most im****tant, the

first shot struck the President. Some eyewitness testimony would seem to 
verify the first shot did indeed strike the President in the back. As I 
mentioned before Howard Donahue, an expert in the field of ballistics, 
thinks 3 shots were fired, all 3 resulting in wounds to the President. 
However, he believes the first shot hit the street and the President was 
wounded by a fragment created by the ricochet.

Using the perceived sound pattern mentioned by a majority of witnesses as 
the most im****tant factor that must be explained, there are only 3 options

that make sense: The Mason theory, Holland theory, or the Donahue theory. 
Those are the only theories that can account for 3 shots, the last 2 
closer than the first 2.

While your theory is unique, and well researched, it has some major 
problems to overcome. A significant group of witnesses saw the first shot 
miss and bounce off the street, or heard the first shot prior to z224. 
Those witnesses cannot be easily dismissed.

_________________________________________________

"On hearing the first burst of firing, Sheriff Bill Decker glances back 
and thinks he sees a bullet bouncing off the street pavement. Motorcycle 
officer, Starvis Ellis also will testify he sees a bullet hit the 
pavement. (Neither Decker nor Ellis will ever be questioned about this by 
the Warren Commission.) Motorcycle officer James Chaney will also tell 
newsmen this day that the first shot missed. It is suggested that JFK is 
hit by small pieces of the street pavement, and stops waving for a 
moment."

Assassination Research.com


"Stavis (Steve) Ellis, motorcycle officer who saw the first shot miss and 
hit the south curb of Elm Street (in Sneed's No More Silence)."

Notices and Recent Additions to the JFK Web Site

_________________________________________________

In addition, Victoria Adams, Emmet Hudson, Glen Bennett, and Tina Towner 
also witnessed a shot prior to z224. And of course Virgie Rachley Baker 
and Royce Skelton were the first to mention the first shot bounced off the

street near the Limousine. There are other witnesses who mention the 
President slumps in his seat after the 2nd shot.

From reading all the witness testimony I can find, my opinion is many of 
the witnesses are confusing "the first shot" with the second shot that 
wounded the President. It is the second sound they heard but the first 
sound they perceived as a gunshot. No witness said the President slumped 
after the first firecracker. Some witnesses did say he sat upright after 
the firecracker, which may be true according to the Donahue theory. That 
theory asserts the President received a flesh wound of either a fragment 
of the bullet or cement particles that embedded into his skin causing him 
to exclaim, "My God, I've been hit!" It was probably the latter because 
cement particles were noticed on the President's face by mortuary 
employees.

You have placed a shot at z270 which is problematic because that frame is 
blocked by a lightpost. However, Gov. Connally is still in an upright 
posture in that frame to be wounded in the side, but it might be the case 
he is having a delayed reaction to being wounded, which is a known medical

phenomenon. Both the President and Gov. Connally seem slow to react to 
their wounds, but we must keep in mind each frame is only 1/18th of a 
second. Enlargement of frames z224-225 indicate Connally is wounded 
simultaneous with the President.

Have you found any witnesses who claim to see a separate wound between
the back shot and head shot?
 




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yeuhd <walloon@[EMAIL   2008-05-14 10:29:40 
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HPWHOA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-14 22:45:30 
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yeuhd <walloon@[EMAIL   2008-05-14 22:45:39 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-14 22:46:23 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 20:27:38 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-16 21:34:32 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-17 23:29:15 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-17 23:30:54 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-21 17:19:46 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-19 12:29:09 
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"Gerry Simone"   2008-08-20 23:44:22 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-19 01:45:28 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-08-23 19:03:23 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-16 23:01:37 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-17 23:19:46 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-18 12:07:10 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-16 10:21:19 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-16 21:33:36 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-14 22:46:33 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 20:26:30 
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clarkwilkins@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-14 22:47:45 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-15 01:09:14 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 10:35:47 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-15 20:19:54 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-16 10:22:25 
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yeuhd <walloon@[EMAIL   2008-05-16 23:04:39 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-21 02:53:05 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-21 02:53:43 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-21 15:34:28 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-30 23:13:32 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-31 22:37:45 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-24 23:00:06 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:12:07 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-24 23:02:26 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:48:21 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-25 12:37:22 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:22:26 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:57:36 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-31 21:56:12 

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