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Re: Missing the first shot

by r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jun 5, 2008 at 09:08 PM

On Jun 3, 8:24=A0am, claviger <historiae.fi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> You really do have a fascinating theory and it seems to have a lot of
> merit, but alas there are more problems to overcome. In this case, the
> Governor and Mrs. Connally's testimony. They don't agree and close
> study of the Zapruder film reveals Nellie's perceptions are confused.
> She like other witnesses commingles impressions of the first and
> second shots.
>
> After careful analysis of their testimony to the WC and HSCA compared
> to the Zapruder film, Nellie was mistaken about several key points.
> However, even some of her comments inadvertently sup****t the early
> first shot, and the testimony by her husband confirms the early first
> shot.
>
> ______________________________________________________
>
> WARREN COMMISSION TESTIMONY
> ______________________________________________________
>
> Mrs. CONNALLY. In fact the receptions had been. so good every place
> that I had showed much restraint by not mentioning something about it
> before. I could resist no longer. When we got past this area I did
> turn to the President and said, "Mr. President, you can't say Dallas
> doesn't love you." [ "This area" was the courthouse of Houston St]
>
> Then I don't know how soon, it seems to me it was very soon, that I
> heard a noise, and not being an expert rifleman, I was not aware that
> it was a rifle. It was just a frightening noise, and it came from the
> right. [Again, the first sound not recognized as a gunshot.]
>
> I turned over my right shoulder and looked back, and saw the President
> as he had both hands at his neck.
> [The Zapruder film shows her looking in the back seat much later after
> the second shot. In 15 frames z239-254 she is seen looking at her
> husband. In 17 frames, z255-392, she is looking in the back seat. This
> is obvious in frames z282-292.]
>
> Mrs. CONNALLY.
> Then very soon there was the second shot that hit John. As the first
> shot was hit, and I turned to look at the same time, I recall John
> saying, "Oh, no, no, no." Then there was a second shot, and it hit
> John, and as he recoiled to the right, just crumpled like a wounded
> animal to the right, he said, "My God, they are going to kill us
> all." [Her husband said "Oh, no, no, no." after the second shot.]


***Nellie did not sup****t an early first shot.  She said she turned to see

JFK with his hands at his throat after hearing the first re****t. She also 
said she heard JBC saying oh no, no, no after the first shot.  The only 
point of the Zapruder film in which Connally had his mouth open in the 
form of an O, was as he turned to his right, after Z230, which is 
consistent with being after a bullet struck Kennedy, but before an 
additional bullet would have been fired.

It may be your conclusion that JFK was struck by the second shot, but 
Nellie stated she looked at JFK after hearing the first re****t.

Due to a lack of a response by Landis and Hickey, prior to JFK reaching 
the sign, i believe that Nellie's recollection was correct in regard to 
the first shot.

***Ron Judge
 




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Missing the first shot
Shizam1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-11 00:50:48 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-11 18:48:42 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-12 00:28:06 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-12 16:11:19 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-05-12 19:56:15 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-13 18:23:45 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-05-13 23:40:17 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-14 11:19:41 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-05-14 22:44:14 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-14 12:06:18 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-12 21:32:14 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-13 02:21:51 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-13 10:32:44 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-28 22:30:44 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-29 09:49:36 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-31 15:11:43 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-01 02:13:42 
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timstter@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-11 18:49:09 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-11 18:52:26 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-12 00:23:32 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-12 19:53:57 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-11 21:40:42 
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Dave Reitzes <dreitzes  2008-05-12 00:25:06 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-12 00:27:39 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-12 19:41:54 
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yeuhd <walloon@[EMAIL   2008-05-12 16:12:58 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-12 23:34:17 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-12 23:35:19 
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Dave Reitzes <dreitzes  2008-05-12 21:32:32 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-12 21:33:25 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-13 02:24:15 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 10:39:32 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-13 18:24:14 
Re: Missing the first shot
Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-13 23:37:29 
Re: Missing the first shot
claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-29 14:56:05 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-29 23:04:37 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-29 23:10:29 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-29 23:06:35 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-30 11:28:03 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-31 15:12:35 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-01 13:04:25 
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"Andrew.Mason"   2008-06-01 13:04:53 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-01 21:26:58 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-02 14:46:07 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-02 21:02:22 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-03 17:19:42 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-31 15:14:12 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-31 23:32:20 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-03 11:24:13 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-03 21:42:53 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-03 21:41:39 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-04 23:45:11 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-05 10:48:05 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-06-05 15:51:52 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-06 23:13:18 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-04 23:50:11 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-05 10:47:57 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-05 15:14:39 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-05 11:03:18 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-05 21:04:44 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-05 21:05:12 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-06-06 01:15:55 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-06 01:20:59 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-06 15:35:46 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-06-05 21:08:12 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-05 21:10:22 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-06 15:45:00 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-05 22:40:40 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-06-06 01:16:23 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-06 15:37:31 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-05 22:41:07 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-06-06 01:16:59 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-06 01:19:56 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-06-05 22:41:35 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-06 01:20:30 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-06 15:36:16 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-06 23:06:30 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-09 20:59:16 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-10 01:34:45 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-06-06 16:10:19 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-06-06 23:01:51 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-09 20:59:56 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-06-10 23:22:06 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-06 23:04:29 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-06 23:09:40 
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timstter@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-06-07 16:00:00 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-07 16:13:30 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-07 20:42:23 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-08 16:02:28 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-10 23:34:51 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-12 18:02:11 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-13 11:36:49 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-06-10 10:56:08 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-10 18:28:16 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-10 23:50:34 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-06-11 11:58:03 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-12 00:02:45 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-30 21:00:27 
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yeuhd <walloon@[EMAIL   2008-05-13 02:19:28 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-05-13 16:16:33 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 18:29:51 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-13 02:19:52 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 10:39:46 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-05-13 18:21:54 
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howardp <howpl@[EMAIL   2008-05-13 02:23:03 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-13 10:34:08 
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John Canal <John_membe  2008-05-13 16:16:21 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-13 18:30:11 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-13 23:38:07 
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John Canal <John_membe  2008-05-14 11:19:07 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-14 23:01:34 
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John Canal <John_membe  2008-05-15 01:10:49 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 10:35:37 
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markinator@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-15 16:16:31 
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John Canal <John_membe  2008-05-15 20:45:33 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-16 10:20:46 
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markinator@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-16 10:19:49 
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John Canal <John_membe  2008-05-16 21:35:44 
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markinator@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-30 20:51:52 
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John Canal <John_membe  2008-05-30 23:19:32 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-31 15:15:44 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-31 15:14:48 
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markinator@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-02 14:47:36 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-06-03 17:35:46 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-14 12:05:01 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-14 23:01:01 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-15 10:42:08 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 20:21:18 
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"Martin Shackelford&  2008-05-15 10:38:50 
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yeuhd <walloon@[EMAIL   2008-05-13 18:28:14 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-05-13 23:40:31 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-14 11:21:47 
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yeuhd <walloon@[EMAIL   2008-05-14 10:29:40 
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"tomnln" <to  2008-05-14 22:43:27 
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WhiskyJoe <jremv@[EMAI  2008-05-14 11:19:25 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-15 10:45:01 
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HPWHOA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-14 22:45:13 
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HPWHOA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-14 22:45:30 
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yeuhd <walloon@[EMAIL   2008-05-14 22:45:39 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-14 22:46:23 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 20:27:38 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-16 10:13:16 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-16 21:34:32 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-17 23:29:15 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-17 23:30:54 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-18 12:06:49 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-19 00:28:54 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-19 08:29:34 
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"Jas" <jstel  2008-05-21 02:28:22 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-21 17:19:46 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-21 17:20:19 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-19 12:29:09 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-08-16 23:45:28 
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"Gerry Simone"   2008-08-20 23:44:22 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-08-21 11:55:17 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-19 01:45:28 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-21 17:20:30 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-08-23 19:03:23 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-16 23:01:37 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-17 23:19:46 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-18 12:07:10 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-22 00:34:23 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-16 10:21:19 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-16 21:33:36 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-17 23:29:52 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-14 22:46:33 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 20:26:30 
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clarkwilkins@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-14 22:47:45 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-15 01:09:14 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-15 10:35:47 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-15 20:19:54 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-16 10:22:25 
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yeuhd <walloon@[EMAIL   2008-05-16 23:04:39 
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pierre-nau@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-20 20:37:25 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-21 17:00:58 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-21 17:12:59 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-21 02:53:05 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-21 02:53:43 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-21 15:34:28 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 01:51:09 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-23 14:29:50 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-23 01:49:10 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-23 14:29:29 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-30 20:54:19 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-30 23:18:09 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-31 15:15:20 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-30 23:13:32 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-31 15:13:46 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-31 22:37:45 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-23 14:42:16 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-24 23:00:06 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:12:07 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:27:44 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-24 23:02:26 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:48:21 
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claviger <historiae.fi  2008-05-25 12:37:22 
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Anthony Marsh <anthony  2008-05-25 15:22:26 
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Andrew Mason <a.mason@  2008-05-25 15:57:36 
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r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-31 21:56:12 

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