Re: Missing the first shot

r2bzjudge@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Jun 5, 10:20 pm, Andrew Mason <a.ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>r2bzju...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>On Jun 1, 6:26 pm, Andrew Mason <a.ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>>claviger wrote:
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>>>>>Andrew,
>>
>>>>......
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>>>>>>How do you tell from those frames that he is hit in the back by it?=
 How
>>>>>>would the reaction to the shot that he described - turning to see J=
FK -
>>>>>>differ from what you think a person would do in response to being h=
it in
>>>>>>the back? Don't we have to go with the evidence?
>>
>>>>>Where did the bullet go that wounded JBC? What
>>>>>happened to the =93first=94 bullet that hit JFK?
>>
>>>>Claviger,
>>
>>>>The answer to these questions is provided in the evidence.
>>
>>>>There is abundant evidence that the first bullet passed through JFK b=
ut
>>>>did not strike JBC in the back. There is also pretty good evidence th=
at
>>>>it could not have changed direction, that it exited JFK with not
>>>>insignificant speed (it did not strike bone) and it did not forcefull=
y
>>>>strike anything in the car. It was travelling right to left so it wen=
t
>>>>to the left side of JBC's jump seat. JBC had only one wound on his le=
ft
>>>>side (left thigh) and the wound characteristics fit perfectly CE399.
>>
>>>>It is not that difficult to see that there was a clear path from JFK'=
s
>>>>neck exit wound to JBC's left thigh. The jump seat had a low back and
>>>>with JBC turned sharply to the right as he is at z190-200, his left
>>>>shoulder moves out of the way of the bullet. I have shown this in the
>>>>attached photos:
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>>>>This is a shot at Love Field showing JFK in the far right position an=
d
>>>>JBC seated in front in the jump seat. You can see that a line through
>>>>JFK's neck has to be left to right to strike JBC in the right armpit.
>>>>This is confirmed by a detailed sight line analysis. The shot from th=
e
>>>>SN at 13 degrees right to left goes to JBC's left:http://www.dufourla=
w.com/jfk/Photos/Limo_above_Love_field.gif
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>>>>This is mock-up view from JFK's neck:http://www.dufourlaw.com/jfk/Pho=
tos/JBC_z200_rear2_reenactment.jpg
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>>>>This is a mock-up view of JBC from the side:http://www.dufourlaw.com/=
jfk/Photos/JBC_z200_side_reenactment.jpg
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>>>>The seat has a back that is the same height as the seat length, same =
as
>>>>the jump seat in the limo. That makes the seat back lower than a norm=
al
>>>>seat. The seat is also mounted on the floor so the knees are higher t=
han
>>>>the seat.
>>
>>>>Now you can argue that we don't know that JBC's left thigh was out to
>>>>the left like that. All I can say is try sitting in a postion like th=
at,
>>>>turned right with your right leg confined to be straight out in front=
..
>>>>There is no way, if you are male, that you are going to have your lef=
t
>>>>leg anywhere but out to the left. Try it.
>>
>>>>You can argue that it could not have happened on the first shot since
>>>>JBC heard the shot but did not feel the thigh being injured. The fact=
 is
>>>>that bullets do not hurt when they pass through you. The pain comes
>>>>later when the body starts feeling the effect of the damage. In the c=
ase
>>>>of the thigh, however, he never noticed that wound until told about i=
t
>>>>the next day.
>>
>>>>That leaves the only other apparent problem: how does the thigh stop =
the
>>>>bullet? The answer to this is that the strap muscles, skin, clothing =
in
>>>>JFK and JBC probably slowed the bullet down somewhat more rapidly tha=
n
>>>>the FBI reenactments would lead us to believe. Living human skin,
>>>>apparently, has a stopping power of 4 inches of ballistic gel. In thi=
s
>>>>case, there were 3 layers of skin. All of the experiments (ie.
>>>>Discovery, FBI) used only 6 inches of gel to duplicate the neck tissu=
e.
>>>>They needed 16 inches (with 2 inches angled into JBC's thigh). Then
>>>>there is the femur. Dr. ****res believe that there was a speck of lead=
 in
>>>>the femur because it is shown in the same location in two different x=
ray
>>>>views. The bullet struck the thigh at a sharp angle, as noted by Dr.
>>>>****res, so the stopping force can be much less (because the stopping
>>>>force acts over a distance) than if it hit suddenly.
>>
>>>>This JFK neck to thigh path not only fits the trajectory but it answe=
rs
>>>>all the problems with the SBT with the condition of CE399. In
>>>>particular, the jagged wound on the wrist, the threads dragged in and
>>>>the many fragments of lead in the wrist wound.
>>
>>>>Where did the second bullet go? Follow the evidence. Greer said there
>>>>was a concussion from the second shot. There was damage to the top of
>>>>the wind****eld frame. The left sun-visor also moved between z271 and
>>>>272. This is consistent with fragments from the second shot deflectin=
g
>>>>up and at least one going over the car, eventually falling to the cur=
b
>>>>and then striking Tague. Tague said it occurred on the second shot.
>>
>>>>How did the bullet deflect up? The question should be: how could it
>>>>deflect down? It struck the top of the radius on the distal side. If =
the
>>>>wrist was turned toward the chest, as Dr. ****res describes necessaril=
y
>>>>occurs when the person turns (as Nellie said he was at the time of th=
e
>>>>second shot). With the wrist in the position seen in the zfilm at z27=
1,
>>>>it is apparent that the bullet cannot deflect down.
>>
>>>>Dr. Shaw thought the bullet deflected up off the wrist until he found
>>>>the wound in the palm side. But he also said that could have been cau=
sed
>>>>by a bone fragment being driven through the wrist.
>>
>>>***A bullet traversing JFK's neck would not have been appreciably slow=
ed
>>>down without striking bone.  Thus, if the bullet then struck JBC in th=
e
>>>thigh, it would have done more than make a shallow wound, one in which=
 the
>>>bullet worked its way out of.
>>
>>It would slow down. The question is how much. If all the skin and flesh
>>and clothing is taken into account, the stopping power is equivalent to
>>about 18 inches of ballistic gell. No one has measured the speed of an
>>Mc bullet after penetrating 18 inches of ballistic gel and striking the
>>femur, backward.
>>
>>
>>
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>>>In the Discovery Channel Australia test, the bullet struck two ribs an=
d
>>>still had enough momentum to traverse the "wrist", but not enough to
>>>penetrate the "thigh".  My guess would be that if the bullet went stra=
ight
>>>from throat to thigh, the bullet would have torn all the way through t=
he
>>>leg, unless it struck bone.
>>
>>According to Dr. ****res, it left a lead fragment in the femur.
>>
>>Andrew Mason- Hide quoted text -
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> ***A lead fragment was left in the leg.  The bullet made only a
> shallow wound.
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> The bullet which hit the head, burst out the top right side of the
> skull, despite hitting the cranium.  A fragment hit the wind****eld
> hard enough to crack it.
> The bullet would have met much less resistance passing through the
> neck.
> The exit wound was a neat round hole, thus it was not yawing
> appreciably as it passed through.  Most of the energy would have been
> retained.

Your theory has not been tested by experiment. It is not readily=20
apparent that a bullet passing through 7 layers of clothing, 3 layers
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skin and 8 inches of muscle (strap muscles and thigh muscles are very=20
strong) would not slow down appreciably. The JFK head shot went through=20
the back of the skull and then brain tissue which is mostly water
before=20
exiting through the top of the head. It passed only through the top=20
right part of the brain. It emerged from that moving at about 500 fps,=20
according to the ballistic experts. A fragment may have struck the=20
wind****eld or that may have been caused by a fragment from the second sho=
t.

Andrew Mason