tomnln wrote:
> Connally SAW JFK "Slump" after the first shot.
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English here please. You are using the active form of the verb. That=20
means seeing JFK in the process of slumping. That is not what Connally=20
said. He said that he saw JFK "WAS SLUMPED," past tense, passive.
> http://media.myfoxdfw.com/JFKvideo
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http://the-puzzle-palace.com/Connally.htm
As Cranor had pointed out, both CBS and NOVA used edited versions of=20
Connally's bedside interview in an attempt to preserve the SBT.=20
Fortunately, other researchers have pointed out that this segment of
the=20
original statement was preserved in toto on other videotapes, such as=20
the Italian do***entary "The Two Kennedys" and "Kennedy in Texas." "The=20
Two Kennedys" is rare and hard to find now, but I was able to find a=20
copy at a small video store called Hollywood Express. I was going to=20
record that segment into my computer, but I found that someone had=20
already done so and posted it to the Web as a . WAV file. "Kennedy in=20
Texas" can be ordered from JFK Lancer. I transcribed verbatim the=20
original Connally bedside statement. And you can also listen to the=20
original statement to compare it to my transcription:
We heard a shot. I turned to my left -- I was sitting in the jump=20
seat --
I turned to my left to look in the back seat. The President was=20
slumped.
Ah, he had said nothing. Almost simultaneously, as I turned, I was h=
it,
and I knew I'd been hit badly.
> BEFORE Connally was hit.
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> "claviger" <historiae.fides@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> news:ac9bc86e-460f-485d-9432-28631f5f36d6@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Andrew,
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>> The Connallys' primary recollections are consistent with the rest of t=
he
>> evidence, and with a second shot at z271. There is nothing mixed up
>> about it at all.
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> The Connally=92s recollections are not even consistent with each other,
> much less a second shot at z270. In fact, Governor Connally=92s
> testimony would rule out any shot between z234 and z313.
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>> We don't know exactly how long they had to study the zfilm and the
>> frames. They certainly did not have the benefit of being able to play =
it
>> back at different speeds repeatedly.
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> Connally remembers the 2nd shot being close to the Stemmons sign.
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>> In any event, Nellie also said:
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>> 1. JBC was turned right when hit (she told this to Dr. ****res on=20
>> 11/22/63)
>> 2. She said she saw JFK with his hands to his neck after the first sho=
t
>> and before the second but she does not look at him before z240 and
>> probably not until z255.
>> 3. She said she never looked back after the second shot.
>> 4. She said she immediately reached over and pulled JBC down after the
>> second shot.
>> 5. Nellie said JBC said "Oh, no, no", after the first shot and before
>> the second. He says this at z240-250. Then Nellie looks back at JFK.
>> None of this fits with JBC being hit in the back at z234. Everything
>> fits, however, with a second shot hitting at z271.
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>> So either we say that she must have been right on her interpretation,
>> after the fact, of the zfilm and wrong on all the other details, or th=
at
>> she simply got the wrong frame. Look at it this way: if she got all th=
e
>> details wrong then her reasons for preferring z234 are meaningless. If
>> she got all the details right (but since they do not fit with a second
>> shot at z234) then her reasons for preferring z234 are meaningless.
>> Either way, her belief that the zfilm shows the second shot at z234 do=
es
>> not carry much weight.
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> It is Governor Connally who identifies z230-234 as the frames where he
> is wounded by the second shot.
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>> Since a second shot at z271 fits with the other witnesses who observed
>> JFK react on the first shot, the first shot was after z191, and the la=
st
>> two shots closer together. And it fits with all the details that Nelli=
e
>> recalled before and after the second shot, and which JBC recalled up t=
o
>> the second shot.
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> What other witnesses testified to a shot at z270?
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>> > She thought he said "No,no,no" after the first shot but he
>> > corrects that misperception by confirming it was after the second
>> > shot.
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>> JBC was not sure when he said "oh, no, no, no". In 1966 he said it was
>> after the first shot and before the second:
>> "Between the time I heard the first shot and felt the impact of
>> the other bullet that obviously hit me, I sensed something was
>> wrong, and said, =91Oh no, no, no.=92 After I felt the impact I glance=
d
>> down and saw that my whole chest was covered with blood." Life, Nov 25=
,
>> 1966, p. 248 see:
>> http://www.dufourlaw.com/jfk/JBC_comment_SBT_p48_nov2566.pdf
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> LIFE magazine? Why not the WC testimony? Connally was sure it was
> after he was wounded, and corrected the misperception by Mrs.
> Connally. If he couldn=92t see the President after the first shot then
> he didn=92t know if JFK was wounded or not, so what reason would the
> Governor have to say =93Oh, no, no, no=94? He obviously uttered these
> words when he realized that someone was shooting at the Limousine with
> a rifle. Being wounded convinced him of that reality.
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>> JBC said to the HSCA in 1978, initially, that he said "oh, no, no"
>> before he was hit but then guessed that it was after:
>> "When I was hit, or shortly before I was hit-no, I guess it was
>> after I was hit - I said first, just almost in despair, I said, "no, n=
o,
>> no," just thinking how tragic it was that we had gone through this
>> 24 hours, it had all been so wonderful and so beautifully executed."
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> I=92ve been quoting from the Warren Commission testimony. The quote
> above is from the HSCA. Since you bring it up the HSCA has some
> interesting quotes too.
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>> > He gets the time frame right and he looks intently to the left a
>> > split second after Rosemary Willis looks to the right and stops
>> > running.
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>> She does not look to the right until z204. She stops moving at z199. Y=
ou
>> cannot read much into why she stops running. But her head turn at z204
>> is quite sudden.
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> She obviously looks to the right at z144 and her feet stop moving at
> z188. Look where the Limousine is at z144 and z188, not yet to the
> Stemmons sign.
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>> > The Governor knows he's wounded by z234 and his body
>> > movements show he is in distress.
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>> Sure he was in distress. He just realized that his guest, the Presiden=
t
>> of the United States, is being assassinated behind him.
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> He=92s physically reacting to some kind of sudden discomfort, which
> explains his jerky body movements.
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>> > At z270 he is twisted around
>> > perpendicular to the seat so his back is no longer facing the TSBD.
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>> Right. But he was hit in the right armpit, not the back, and the bulle=
t
>> did not pass through the the lung or pleural cavity. It struck the
>> outside of the fifth rib and blasted through it at the end, so it must
>> have struck at a very oblique angle. Nellie and a motorcycle cop
>> (Jackson) said he was hit when he was turned around to the right.
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> WC Testimony:
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> Governor CONNALLY. You can tell yourself.
> I would say, to describe it for the record, however, that it, the
> bullet, went in my back just below the right shoulder blade, at just
> about the point that the right arm joins the shoulder, right in that
> groove, and exited about 2 inches toward the center of the body from
> the right nipple of my chest.
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> Dr. SHAW. Yes. It is on the right shoulder, I will feel it, just
> lateral to the shoulder blade, the edge of which is about 2
> centimeters from the wound, and just above and slightly medial to the
> crease formed by the axilla or the armpit, the arm against the chest
> wall.
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> HSCA Testimony:
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> Mr. Connally: It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches
> below and the left of my right nipple.
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>> > He
>> > makes no movement to the left as he does in z224-230. Gov. Connally
>> > remembers the first shot came shortly after turning the corner onto
>> > Elm St which com****ts with other witness testimony. Reading this
>> > testimony it is hard to believe the second shot came any later than
>> > described in the Governor's very credible testimony.
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>> He is credible up until the time he was hit. After that, I don't think
>> even he thought he was sure ie:
>> "When I was hit, or shortly before I was hit-no, I guess it was
>> after I was hit - "
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> WC Testimony / Governor Connally:
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> I immediately, when I was hit, I said, "Oh, no, no, no." And then I
> said, "My God, they are going to kill us all." Nellie, when she pulled
> me over into her lap----
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> HSCA Testimony:
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> Mr. DEVINE. Did you recognize any of the sound as being a rifle shot
> or hand gun shot?
> Mr. CONNALLY. I thought it was a rifle shot.
> Mr. DEVINE. Then you turned around and started to turn back around to
> look over your left shoulder to see what?
> Mr. CONNALLY. To see if the President was all right, because
> immediately the thought flashed through my mind that if this was a
> rifle shot, which I believed it to be, that it was probably an
> assassination attempt and I was trying to see if anything had happened
> in the automobile.
> Mr. DEVINE. Is that the time that you exclaimed, no, no, or was it
> later?
> Mr. CONNALLY. No, it was a bit later, because I wasn't sure at that
> point in time that anything had happened, so it was a bit later when I
> said oh, no, no, no. This was after I realized I had been hit and,
> then I said my God, they are going to kill us all.
> Mr. DEVINE. As you turned from looking over you right shoulder, you
> are about facing forward, in the process of turning to look over
> your left shoulder, when you were hit?
> Mr. CONNALLY. Yes, sir.
> Mr. DEVINE. But you heard no shot?
> Mr. CONNALLY. No, sir, I did not.
> Mr. DEVINE. That caused you to pitch forward?
> Mr. CONNALLY. Yes, sir.
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