Re: Mary Ferrell denounces Judyth Baker

On Jul 16, 11:12=EF=BF=BDpm, burb2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> Please can ANYONE answer me this: has anyone got a proof-positive piece
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> evidence that either Judyth, Martin or any other pro JVB person has
> brought forth for objective analysis to offer as proof of their
> association? If yes, GREAT! let's see it! and if no, let us please
refrai=
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> from responding to this subject matter until such proof is provided -
> laptop stolen, chased by badmen, things taken from me>>> none of these
> statements are proof/evidence/facts>>> Judyth, Martin, etal, PLEASE
> PROVIDE SOME SO YOU CAN SHUT UP YOUR DETRACTORS OR GO ELSEWHERE UNTIL
YOU
> CAN PROVIDE SUCH PROOOF!
>
> Enough already!
> Sincerely, Burb ( a sincere fact-finder not gossip monger)


Martin once claimed there was proof. Now he avoids the subject. For
example, see if he responds to the following set of quotes from Judyth
and himself:

" Lee Oswald and I worked together for the CIA in an anti-Castro
project which included delivery of live biological weapons into Cuba,
one of them aimed to kill Castro. Not only was Oswald an innocent man,
he was framed in Dallas. He was a patriot who, had he defended
himself, would have led our deaths. . . . I really don't expect you to
believe any of this without do***entation and proof. Don't be
concerned: I've got the proof. . . . I have my defenders and I've been
able to prove everything I'm saying." (Judyth Vary Baker, biographical
blurb posted at Manatee High School alumni website)

". . . I can prove every word i [sic] am writing here--- i [sic] can
assure you that what we were doing was trying to create a biological
weapon to get castro [sic] inn [sic] what would seem to be a natural
death." (Judyth Vary Baker, JFKresearch.com post, November 2, 2002)

". . . WHEN ONE HAS BEEN TRAINED AS A SCIENTIST, AND THEY HAVE WRITTEN
AND REVIEWED AND READ MANY PAPERS, GENERALLY THEY ARE AWARE THAT IF
THEY MAKE A STATEMENT, THERE HAD BETTER BE BACK-UP. SOME PEOPLE WHO
ARE NOT TRAINED IN THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD MAY NOT REALIZE THIS
RESPONSIBILITY. I TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR BACK-
UP FOR MY STATEMENTS SERIOUSLY. MU [sic] HAVING BEEN TRAINED IN THE
SCIENTIFIC METHOD MEANS THAT I AM PARTICULARLY SENSITIVE TO THE ISSUE
OF PROOF AND DO***ENTATION." (Judyth Vary Baker, Internet forum post,
May 7, 2004)

"When this goes public, the burden of proof will be met. " (Martin
Shackelford, alt. conspiracy.jfk post, October 22, 2000)

"The demand that we start handing out chunks of do***entation at your
behest is just more bull****, John. You can wait for publication like
everyone else. . . . You'll get the information when everyone else
does, and no sooner. If you don't have the patience for that, it's not
my problem, nor anyone else's but your own. . . . It "sounds to me"
like you're grasping at straws and assuming the worst--with no
evidence whatsoever to sup****t it. You're blowing smoke, John--and
ugly smoke at that. You're implying things you can't prove, making
accusations without any evidence for them, and relying on the word of
someone you normally wouldn't give an ounce of credit to. The
hypocrisy is rank, John. Nothing is being 'kept secret.' It just
hasn't been published yet. I'm sure you know a lot of colleagues who
hand over their manuscripts before publication, don't you? And I'll
bet they hand them over to those they believe will be most critical of
them, too, don't they. And you can't see the stink of your own
hypocrisy? You post repeated and even repetitive demands for evidence--
and yet you have no problem lightly impugning the integrity of a
witness and several researchers without a scrap of it!! Must be
coaching the witness; must be a fraud; must be "concealing evidence."
Based on WHAT, John? Based on NOTHING. The evidence is there, John.
When it lands on you, it will land hard. You are setting yourself up,
and the results will be no one's fault but your own. Then, you can
tell us how glad you are to have it all out there." (Martin
Shackelford, alt.assassination.jfk post, October 3, 2000)

Martin helped Judyth publish a lenghty book a few years later, but no
evidence sup****ting any of her controversial claims appeared.

Any comment to offer, Martin?

I didn't think so.

Dave