Re: Mary Ferrell denounces Judyth Baker

On 24 Jul 2008 10:38:01 -0400, "Martin Shackelford"
<mshack4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>If someone is simply making efforts to verify claims, I have no problem
>with that. It is the repetitive attacks posts I dislike--but you know
that.
>
>Martin

Martin. I have been making efforts to verify claims. Some others have
as well.

What it has been met with is repetitive attack posts from you and
Pamela and Tony ... immediate, knee jerk, never ending. THOSE posts
have resulted in others responding to your attacks and dismissive
nonsense. If this has turned into some sort of circus, it's because
the three of you have taken up residence in all three rings.

If you dislike repetitive attack posts ... then STOP. 

Plenty of issues have been raised that you could have helped provide
information on. You avoid them like the plague and attack instead. 
>
>"Barb Junkkarinen" <barbREMOVEjfk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
>news:psaf84pj5npv29hcn4k806qsrsqnfct7j4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On 23 Jul 2008 17:57:12 -0400, "Martin Shackelford"
>> <mshack4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>I wonder if you've convinced anyone but your attack buddies, Paul. Some
>>>researchers believe Judyth's account--but apparently you don't consider
>>>them persons "worth convincing."
>>>
>>>On the other hand, they feel the same way about you.
>>>
>>>Martin
>>
>> Sincere question, Martin. Why do you consider efforts to verify claims
>> made by someone who has made claims about the assassination an
>> "attack"?
>>
>> Barb :-)
>>>
>>>"paul seaton" <paulNOseatonSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>news:4886af15@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>
>>>> "Martin Shackelford" <mshack4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>> news:UFfhk.30861$co7.7480@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>A very long time ago, people thought the same of you, Dave.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you don't want people to attack you, Martin, you should take up a 
>>>> less
>>>> indefensible position & in particular stop blaming harmless dead old
>>>> ladies when you run out of space to retreat to.
>>>>
>>>> You know damn well - if your mind is still functioning -there is no
>>>> evidence for any of the interesting parts of Judyth's yarn except the

>>>> bit
>>>> about working at Reily. You know damn well - if your mind is still
>>>> functioning - her story has changed with the wind on a monotonously
>>>> regular basis.
>>>>
>>>> You know damn well - if your mind is still functioning - she spoon
fed 
>>>> you
>>>> & Howard garbage re Mary F.
>>>>
>>>> We all know you thought you had found something really significant
here,
>>>> and invested a lot of time & faith in working on it. But it's time to
>>>> stop. You've reached the point where desperation is setting in & you
are
>>>> clutching at virtually any straw - viz your highly objectionable 
>>>> embryonic
>>>> slander of MF - you think might salvage something from the wreckage.
>>>>
>>>> Look around.
>>>>
>>>> For all your hard work, you haven't convinced ONE person worth 
>>>> convincing
>>>> of any of it. And you know why.
>>>>
>>>> That's right.
>>>>
>>>> It's all a pile of garbage Martin.
>>>>
>>>> Really.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave Reitzes" <dreitzes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>
news:aca2c344-3e78-4831-be89-d156613a1840@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:23?pm, Barb Junkkarinen <barbREMOVE...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 21 Jul 2008 17:37:15 -0400, "Martin Shackelford"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <msha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> >That facile assumption doesn't explain why Mary avoided talking
about
>>>>>> >the alias.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What business is it of yours or ANYbody's?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called the ad hominem fallacy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet a lot of people used to think Martin was above that sort of
>>>>> thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That was her personal
>>>>>> history and personal business. She avoided talking about it because
>>>>>> she was embarrassed that she had ever done it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people care about things like that, Martin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary owed no one an explanation about the name .... least of all
you
>>>>>> or Judyth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >"John McAdams" <john.mcad...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>> >news:v2t784tveccgg39qb7jf46rk2ck6rh13gl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> >> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:19:07 -0700, Barb Junkkarinen
>>>>>> >> <barbREMOVE...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>On 20 Jul 2008 19:16:26 -0400, "paul seaton"
>>>>>> >>><paulNOseatonS...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>"Anthony Marsh" <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>>>>> >>>>news:uq6dnUBffIHfTx_VnZ2dnUVZ_o6dnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> >>>>> Martin Shackelford wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>> This is a real mishmash of distortion--perhaps by Mary
herself.
>>>>>> >>>>>> The
>>>>>> >>>>>> name
>>>>>> >>>>>> to which she refers is Mary Dean. It is "a name from [her] 
>>>>>> >>>>>> past,"
>>>>>> >>>>>> not
>>>>>> >>>>>> someone she knew, but a name she used as an alias, something

>>>>>> >>>>>> she
>>>>>> >>>>>> admitted
>>>>>> >>>>>> to Judyth but never explained. It sounds like Carol Anne
knows
>>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>> story
>>>>>> >>>>>> behind it, but I doubt she would discuss it. Mary herself
asked
>>>>>> >>>>>> Judyth
>>>>>> >>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>>>> help her sort through some boxes of materials, and in the 
>>>>>> >>>>>> process
>>>>>> >>>>>> Judyth
>>>>>> >>>>>> ran across the "Mary Dean" materials, but when she asked
Mary
>>>>>> >>>>>> about
>>>>>> >>>>>> them,
>>>>>> >>>>>> Mary became upset that Judyth had seen them, and refused to
>>>>>> >>>>>> discuss
>>>>>> >>>>>> them.
>>>>>> >>>>>> Later, Judyth found additional "Mary Dean" do***ents among
some
>>>>>> >>>>>> things
>>>>>> >>>>>> Mary had given her, apparently inadvertently included. They 
>>>>>> >>>>>> show
>>>>>> >>>>>> that
>>>>>> >>>>>> Mary used the name while living in Ohio, and that she and
Mary
>>>>>> >>>>>> Dean
>>>>>> >>>>>> were
>>>>>> >>>>>> the same person. They have been sent to Tony for inclusion 
>>>>>> >>>>>> among
>>>>>> >>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>> do***ents on his website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>http://the-puzzle-palace.com/MaryDean.txt
>>>>>> >>>>>http://the-puzzle-palace.com/FerrellMaryDean.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>"These are the do***ents showing that Mary Ferrell used the
name
>>>>>> >>>>Mary
>>>>>> >>>>Dean
>>>>>> >>>>while living in Ohio, something Mary was never willing to
discuss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>Martin"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>What a bunch of.....******* .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>No kidding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>And her address is clearly listed as MEMPHIS TENNESSEE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>Wonder which part of "Correspondence Course" Martin doesn't
>>>>>> >>>understand?<g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>Real secret from the school too as her assignment has both names
on
>>>>>> >>>it.<g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> It's hard to see how this could be any sort of misconduct on
Mary's
>>>>>> >> part if the school knew perfectly well about the alias.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> .John
>>>>>> >> --------------
>>>>>> >>http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> 
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