Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
> "Anthony Marsh" <anthony_marsh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>>> "Anthony Marsh" <anthony_marsh@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:41 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 4:23 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>>>>>>>> Grizzlie Antagonist wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:45 pm, Herbert Blenner <a1ea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 1:05 pm, Grizzlie Antagonist
>>>>>>>>>> <lloydsofhanf...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>>> "Some tumbling"? Is that akin to "a little bit pregnant"?
>>>>>>>>>>> As long as there was ANY tumbling, it could only have been
caused
>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>> bullet that first struck something else.
>>>>>>>>>> So what?
>>>>>>>>> So what? Sew buttons! So I guess that you just admitted that
>>>>>>>>> Connally was struck by a bullet that first struck something
else!
>>>>>>>> No. As usual you misrepresent. Tumbling is not the only thing
that
>>>>>>>> causes an elongated wound.
>>>>>>> It is the only thing that could have caused it in this instance,
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>> a tangential strike is out of the question.
>>>>>> Wrong. As usual you know nothing about ballistics. A tangential
strike
>>>>>> is not ruled out and that is not the only other possible cause.
>>>>>> This pegs you as a WC defender.
>>>>>
>>>>> A tangential strike is ruled out, and a tumbling bullet is the only
>>>>> possible cause, given the facts of this case.
>>>>>
>>>> Those are not the only two possibilities.
>>>
>>>
>>> What are the others?
>>>
>> Including, but not limited to, yawing and striking a curved surface.
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> "Yawing" and "tumbling" are virtually identical for the purpose of this
> discussion and striking a curved surface is not an explanation for the
> size and shape of Connally's wound.
>
Yawing and tumbling are not the same. Yawing is traveling at an angle
where as tumbling is the bullet making a complete rotation end over end.
Striking the curved surface of Connally's armpit is primarily what caused
the elongated wound.
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>>>>>>>> So I guess that you just admitted that
>>>>>>>> Kennedy was struck in the head by a bullet that first struck
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> As usual, you misrepresent.
>>>>>>>> since his head wound on the record is elongated to exactly the
same
>>>>>>>> length as Connally's back wound.
>>>>>>> Kennedy's head wound was 6 mm in diameter.
>>>>>> Diameter? Who said it was a round wound? What's your secret source
for
>>>>>> that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I see. You are maintaining that a rectangular bullet was used.
>>>>>
>>>> You said diameter. That means round. Elliptical is not the same
thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> The rest of the world measures space in diameter if it doesn't have
>>> corners. Sorry that it doesn't meet with your approval.
>>>
>> Diameter means round.
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> http://www.mathwords.com/m/major_diameter_ellipse.htm
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>
> I'm pretty sure that you're the only one who objects to the use of the
term
> "diameter" for this purpose.
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>>>>>>>>>> The elliptical shape says that a tangential strike elongated
>>>>>>>>>> the wound.
>>>>>>>>> From where was the bullet that made this "tangential strike"
fired,
>>>>>>>>> and if the bullet that caused this wound did not come to rest in
>>>>>>>>> Connally's thigh, where did it go?
>>>>>>>> Probably from the next open window on the sixth floor.
>>>>>>> Impossible. Sorry.
>>>>>>>> I doubt that it
>>>>>>>> came to rest in Connally's thigh.
>>>>>>> Where did it go then? You can't answer, can you?
>>>>>> I can speculate, but there is no proof.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, you are arguing that this whole thing didn't happen.
A
>>>>> little like Zeno arguing that Achilles will never outrun the turtle.
>>>>> That's the SECOND time that I've had occasion to use that analogy in
>>>>> the last couple of days or so and it FITS each time.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's what JFK conspiracy theory seems to ultimately lead to. A
>>>>> conclusion that the whole thing never took place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That wound was more likely caused by a
>>>>>>>> fragment.
>>>>>>> Where did the bullet that exited Connally's chest go?
>>>>>> Maybe into his thigh.
>>>>>
>>>>> I must have sand in my eyes. WHAT did you say?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you just got through telling me that I was confusing you
with
>>>>>>>>> Wecht!
>>>>>>>>> At least Wecht is right about the Ramsey case.
>>>>>>>> The Ramsey case also shows the value of reexamining the evidence
>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>> The Ramsey case shows the danger posed by scheming mothers who try
to
>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>> vicariously through their children and passive fathers, as well as
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> value of being a wealthy business owner in a liberal university
town.
>>>>>> Oh I see. So you turn a simple case of child murder into some
screed
>>>>>> against Liberalism as if the Ramsey family deserved it for being
>>>>>> Liberal? Shameful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, John Ramsey has attempted to run for office as a
Republican.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Ramsey case is proof positive that before being allowed to
raise
>>>>>>> children, prospective parents should have to go through at least
the
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> same licensing examinations and procedures that attorneys and
CPA's
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> medical professionals and other professionals go through before
they
>>>>>>> become licensed to practice.
>>>>>> More gibberish.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then it's being written in the only language that you understand.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're looking for an example of a case where the perpetrators
are
>>>>>>> running the investigation, the Ramsey case fits much better than
the
>>>>>>> JFK
>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>> What the Hell does that mean? The recent developed evidence points
to
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> outsider and exonnerates the parents.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no "recently developed evidence" that points to an outsider
>>>>> and exonerates the parents.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, there is. That is the whole point of the discussion. New DNA
>>>> analysis rules out the family.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no "new DNA analysis" that "rules out the family".
>>>
>> What, they don't have newspapers where you live? Then find it on the
>> InterNet.
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/10/ramsey.dna/?iref=hpmostpop
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> Listen to the civil libertarian talking! Listen to the man who once
said
> that it was his "duty" to ferret out corruption in high places. Or some
> grit like that.
>
> He's taking a politician's word at face value. When did YOU become a
> mouthpiece for the "establishment"? Do you also think that there were
> weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
>
> I know what Mary Lacy did. I can match every newspaper story that you
can
> come up with, but this conversation can't be allowed to wander too far
> off-topic.
>
> Mary Lacy is being excoriated by a number of commentators and forensic
> analysts for her unprofessionalism and for the fact that what she said
> isn't forensically sound anyway, including Michael Baden and Henry Lee.
> For a district attorney to comment on a case that is still open is
> completely wrong and ties the hands of her successor -- which is
probably
> exactly what she had in mind.
>
>
>
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>>>>>>> If you're looking for an example of a case where there was indeed
an
>>>>>>> ATTEMPT on the part of local law enforcement to pin the blame on a
>>>>>>> patsy,
>>>>>>> the Ramsey case fits much better than the JFK case.
>>>>>> The local police had no patsy.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, so they tried to im****t one. Duh!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A better example would be the Olympic
>>>>>> bombing case where the cops were too lazy to look beyond the first
>>>>>> person they saw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally, the Ramsey case is proof positive of how justice can be
>>>>>>> perverted
>>>>>>> when feminazi realpolitic is confused with the discipline of law
>>>>>>> enforcement.
>>>>>> Can someone translate that into English?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary Lacy is a feminazi. She does not believe that a woman is
capable
>>>>> of killing a child, even though, in the real world, that happens
quite
>>>>> frequently.
>>>>>
>>>>> With that thought, she has turned a blind eye to the evidence in
this
>>>>> case and has behaved more like a hired gun for the chief suspects,
>>>>> rather than as a law enforcement officer.
>>>>>
>>>> Regardless of your prejudice, the physical evidence rules out the
>>>> mother.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The evidence of the crime scene, taken as a whole, leaves no
reasonable
>>> possibility of a solution that excludes the family.
>>>
>> Again, science trumps your prejudices.
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>
>
> Then I'm a better man than you are because you've never allowed it to
> trump yours.
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>>>>>>>>> Dr. Shaw acknowledged the tenability of the single bullet
scenario.
>>>>>>>>> So I'm sure that you're misinterpreting him here.
>>>>>>>> And the autopsy doctors and WC did not need a SBT until late
April
>>>>>>>> 1964.
>>>>>>> Whatever it was that they "needed", it became a verifiable fact
after
>>>>>>> Shaw's testimony in March 1964.
>>>>>> Wrong again. It wasn't until late April 1964 that Specter dreamed
up
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> SBT. Until then the working conclusion of the WC was three shots,
>>>>>> three
>>>>>> hits. Humes had proposed his own type of SBT which still had two
>>>>>> bullets
>>>>>> hitting Connally.> Quite clearly, there are many who "need" for CE
399
>>>>>> to have NOT struck two
>>>>>>> men. But it did, and the moving finger, having already writ,
moved
>>>>>>> on a
>>>>>>> long time ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so. Shaw's testimony in March 1964 compels a single bullet
>>>>> conclusion.
>>>>>
>>>> No, he said he did not need a single bullet.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, his testimony compels a single bullet conclusion.
>>>
>>>
>>>> And yes a single bullet going ONLY through Connally could be the
cause.
>>>
>>>
>>> You're halfway there.
>> Humes had his own type of Modified Single Bullet Theory.
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