On Jul 31, 7:55=A0pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Greg Jaynes wrote:
> > On Jul 28, 9:05 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> Greg Jaynes wrote:
> >>> On Jul 27, 5:32 pm, twvaughan2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 24, 5:47 pm, Greg Jaynes <jay...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 23, 10:47 pm, Anthony Marsh <anthony_ma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrot=
e:
> >>>>>> Greg Jaynes wrote:
> >>>>>>> What map? I saw Dale Myers and Todd Vaughan in Dealey plaza
measu=
ring the
> >>>>>> WHAT MAP?? Why are you even trying to defend Dale Myers when you
d=
idn't
> >>>>>> even bother to read his damn Web site and I quote:
> >>>>>>http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/tech.htm
> >>>>> Hello Tony,
> >>>>> How's it going?
> >>>>> I thought it would be meaningful that I saw them in the plaza
actua=
lly
> >>>>> taking their own measurements.
> >>>> No, you used the op****tunity to once again try and take some sort
of
> >>>> shot at us, as if our making our own measurements was silly.
> >>> =A0 ? ? ? ? ? ?
> >>> Hardly. There's not a thing in the world wrong with you
> >>> taking your own measurements. I, me, Greg would never
> >>> under any cir***stances dismiss anything you and Dale
> >>> do as silly.
> >> Let me clear this up. Todd is a little confused and thought he was
> >> replying to me, not to you. He correctly identifies that I will take
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ny
> >> op****tunity to take some sort of shot at THEM, meaning Dale Myers and
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Todd
> >> Vaughn. Since he rarely logs on here maybe he missed seeing years of
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y
> >> complaining about Dale Myers. And maybe he imagined that I wrote
thous=
ands
> >> of messages about him behind his back. Now, if Todd Vaughan wants to
c=
laim
> >> that every message about Dale Myers is also by extension about him,
th=
at's
> >> fine with me. But I can make my own separate criticisms of Todd. Ask
h=
im
> >> to explain what a fouling shot is. He had never heard of that term
bef=
ore
> >> even though he pretended to be an expert on shooting and on the HSCA
> >> shooting tests. He claimed that it was something that I simply made
up=
,
> >> the way you WC defenders always claim when I mention things you never
> >> heard of before. And to prove his point he looked it up in his high
sc=
hool
> >> dictionary and could not find it. So, I copied the definition for him
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from
> >> the Oxford dictionary.
>
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_firearms_terminology
>
> >> Does he mind if you forever pair them together?
>
> > I don't know.
>
> >>> Not only do you have my personal gratitude for =A0helping me
> >>> understand the acoustics several years ago but the city of Dallas
> >>> owes you both a debt of gratitude. You and Dale have brought
> >>> clarity and order to historic events that have been obscured by
> >>> a nearly unmanageable and growing volume of disinformation.
> >> What does the city of Dallas have to do with this?
>
> >>> Top Dallas historians like Darwin Payne and Mike Hazel won't
> >>> generally touch the assassination. Darwin Payne might show up
> >> Cover-up artists. Darwin Payne is not a historian. He is a journalist
> >> and he was totally confused by the results of his poll from his
> >> Journalists Remember symposium.
>
> >> I am only re****ting what the moderator, Darwin Payne, said at the end
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of
> >> the conference. Here is the breakdown he re****ted:
> >> Did Oswald act alone? Yes - 75, No - 6
> >> Was Oswald involved in a conspiracy? Yes - 9, No - 72
> >> If you believe that there was a conspiracy, who was involved?
> >> Mafia - 32
> >> Cuba - 14
> >> US intelligence agencies - 42
> >> DPD - 5
>
> >> So, the results of their survey were very similar to what I posted as
> >> representing what most polls of the American public believe. And as I
> >> pointed out, if you ask most journalists and CIA employees, about 99%
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of
> >> them will publicly state that they think that Oswald was a lone nut,
a=
s
> >> close as your 32 to 1 result from Aynesworth could get. I think we
can
> >> dismiss the one dissenter as not having turned up his hearing aid
high
>
> >> enough to hear the question. It should have been 33 to nothing.
>
> >> I would
> >> not rely on Aynesworth for anything.
>
> > I would. He's pretty cool. Of them all, he is the most interesting.
You
> > know, I once had lunch with him and John McAdams and I still have all
m=
y
> > fingers. It was in this little dive the next block over from where the
> > Carousel Club used to be. The guy who ran the place used to talk about
> > Jack Ruby and how he used to come in there all the time.
>
> >> But if you talked to those same people privately, about half of them
w=
ould
> >> tell you that they suspect that there was a conspiracy and most
likely
> >> Castro and/or the KGB were behind it. The Journalists Remember
Symposi=
um
> >> just confirms everything that I said.
>
> >>> at the SFM but he would never venture into the open to take on
> >>> all comers on behalf of Dallas history. Dallas historians just kind
> >>> of punt the ball over to the SFM because the subject is too big
> >>> for them.
>
> >> But if you talked to those same people privately, about half of them
w=
ould
> >> tell you that they suspect that there was a conspiracy and most
likely
> >> Castro and/or the KGB were behind it. The Journalists Remember
Symposi=
um
> >> just confirms everything that I said.
>
> > There is nothing as boring as listening to those old dogs say the same
> > things they said last year and the year before over and over as if
each
> > time it was the first.
>
> >>> at the SFM but he would never venture into the open to take on
> >>> all comers on behalf of Dallas history. Dallas historians just kind
> >>> of punt the ball over to the SFM because the subject is too big
> >>> for them.
> >> What does Dallas history have to do with this?
>
> > What does Dallas history have to do with this?
>
> > Where do you think the assassination happened,
> > on some un-named plain in the middle of the country?
>
> > The Kennedy assassination is first and foremost a Dallas
> > historical event. It affected Dallas in many many more ways
> > than it did any other city or the rest of the country .
>
> > It happened in Dallas. But not just anywhere in Dallas.
> > It happened right on the spot where Dallas came into being.
>
> Saying it was a conspiracy does no indict Dallas and saying it was a
lone
> nut does not exonerate Dallas. Dallas itself is not responsible for what
> happened.
>
>
>
>
>
> > A lot of other history is relevent to the same location.
> > Dallas shares some of the key characters and places
> > related to the assassination with other notable events.
>
> > The same courtroom where Jack Ruby was tried held the trials
> > for Benny Binion, and the parents of Bonnie and Clyde
> > and public enemy no.1 Ray Hamilton.
>
> > The same prosecutor of Jack Ruby was involved in the
> > nation shaking supreme court decision in Roe v. Wade.
>
> > Dealey plaza is the central part of the city that is the
> > evolutionary center of a region of the state of Texas that
> > is larger than some states.
>
> > When the triple underpass was built, the bluff overlooking the
> > old channel of the Trinity river was annhilated. The fact that a
> > bluff was there safe above the Trinity river at a spot where it
> > had a hard bottom was the reason Dallas was founded.
> > If it weren't for those two features, Kennedy would have probably
> > gotten whacked in Farmers Branch where the offices of the
> > Texian Emmigration and Land co. (Peters colony) were loctaed.
> > .........All other things being somehow equal of course.
>
> > Commerce street is built on top of an ancient indian trail called
> > the Kickapoo trace. This trail extended to the east all the way
> > into =A0Louisiana. The indians crossed the Trinity river at the place
> > at the foot of the bluff before Europeans ever set foot on the
> > continent of North America. Large gatherings of traveling indians
> > would camp at the site of the place now called Dealey plaza
> > enroute to and from the western hunting grounds.
>
> > When the stricken president passed under the triple underpass and
> > onward toward the I35 ramp at a point about 50 feet beyond the
> > cement of the underpass he crossed a point where a fresh water
> > spring =A0flowed from the bluff down into the river. The spring was
> > the source of drinking water for the towns founder and wetted his
> > corn mash for proper spoilage.
>
> > You may not be getting the right mental picture of the river. It
doesn'=
t
> > look like any place for a river now. That's because one of great feats
=
in
> > the history of Dallas was the re-routing of the river into the levees
i=
t
> > now trickles but occasionally rages through.
>
> > But the people of Dallas didn't just re-route the river at this
locatio=
n.
> > The very reason there is a triple underpass and a "Lee Bowers tower"
at
> > all is because they also re-routed the various railroads serving the
ci=
ty
> > through this area. This was all part of gigantic engineering project
wh=
ich
> > resulted from what we call the Kessler plan. Do you think the
engineers
> > made an underpass instead of a simple downhill grade from bluff level
t=
o
> > the flood plain just because it was pretty?
>
> > No. It evolved from negotiations with the rail road companies and the
> > unified entity that they created and co-owned with the city of Dallas
> > called Union Terminal Co. Part of that agreement was that there would
b=
e
> > no grade crossing of the railroad tracks for four miles either side of
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the
> > terminal. That's why the triple underpass was built.
>
> > That's what Dallas history has to do with it.
>
> Interesting, but irrelevant.
Well, you asked what Dallas history had to do with it.
It might be irrelevant to you. And it's certainly irrelevant
to the clowns in the plaza who have no clue about any of it.
But it's not irrelevant to Dallas. It's not irrelevant to me or
anyone else who is interested in history. And that's the point.
Visitors go to Dallas for various reasons. Usually it's not
because of the assassination. Dallas hosts conventions
year round. Visitors tend to migrate to Dealey plaza and the
West End Marketplace when they are not at the conventions.
What they find are self appointed ambassadors claiming
to be historians or experts who really know nothing about
history except the general lore of the assassination. No one
is there to tell them about Bonnie and Clyde or the citys founding
or Ray Hamilton or Doc Holiday or the Civil War or Belle Star
or how Dallas (at Dealey plaza) is connected to the founding
of the Disciples of Christ which is the largest indigent religous
movement in the history of the United States or the other
interesting things.
All they get are inconsistent claims and theories about
conspiracies from unqualified and in many cases mentally
ill people.
Dallas is still being victimized by the assassination. It happens
every day of the week and especially on weekends.
It's not irrelevant.
So when people like Todd Vaughan and Dale Myers come along
and make a real effort at researching and re****ting issues relevant
to Dallas history, then Dallas is finally well served. In addition to
the excellent research they do, Dale Myers has presented their
work in a dignified way which is something new.
> > That's why sane and professional researchers or authors like Todd
Vaugh=
an
> > and Dale Myers are im****tant to Dallas.
>
> Even when they are wrong?
Yes. Because you know they aren't lying or offering up
some half baked idea which falls apart under scrutiny.
If you are going to try to find anything wrong in their work,
you better be in their league or you will wind up looking
like a fool as has been recently demonstrated.
Respectfully,
Greg Jaynes
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