On Dec 5, 6:14 am, pedantus <pedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Dec 5, 12:14 am, impe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(GW Bush: War Criminal) wrote:
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> > <EHWollm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Nov 30, 1:12 pm, pedantus <pedan...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > Evidence Roger, where is your evidence that the assumption
you make is
> > > > > > > anything other than your subjective wish that you believe by
repeating
> > > > > > > makes it true?
> > > > Rog:
> > > > > > Which assumption?
> > > > > > Do we need anymore Evidence, say, that you do indeed project
Mars'
> > > > > > natal position as a response to the urging's of Art?
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> > > > Ed:
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> > > > > No, the assumption--with no evidence--that your type of
astro-psycho-
> > > > > analysis has anything to do with real astrological principles
which
> > > > > take years and knowledge to practice properly.
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> > > > Rog:
> > > > I inquire at the being of astrology itself, as it shows itself
> > > > outside of linguistic traditions which are all bogged down with
> > > > history's many meandering meanings.
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> > > Bwahahahahahahahhaahah!!! Translation: He don't know how to do it.
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> > Ha. Ha. Care to address the issue of language and its baggage compared
> > to the supposedly symbolic language of astrology?
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> > Thwumping your teeny chest does not a point make, Eddie.
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> > > > That is why I can see the birth time of an expressing person
and
> > > > why you wish for it to be false rather than see it for
yourself...you
> > > > are caught up in the authoritative language of others and all the
> > > > cultural baggage of the concepts with which you wrangle, (or
> > > > unintentionally strangle... :)
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> > > I don't "wish" for any such thing Roger. When a painter paints he
> > > cannot expect to mix blue and red and get green.
> > > The world is full of stubborn facts that work even when you don't
> > > agree with them.
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> > I think you'd *love* to peg birth times and birth years the way Roger
> > has.
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> > Interesting colour choice :)
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> > > > > >http://pedantus.free.fr/knight_01.gif
> > > > > > A little off; so which needs refining--your art work, or
your birth
> > > > > > time? This is a 'real' astrological question...:)
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> > > > > My birth time is accurate to the minute, what about my large
gallery
> > > > > of work?http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
> > > > > Why do you pick one quick drawing (required for a class at SDSU)
as
> > > > > symbolic of my entire chart?
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> > > > Its fair to say that , in a way, It, your specific drawing,
picked
> > > > me, it is 'expressive' on a more radical (radix-like) level...it
is an
> > > > individual subject version of the "Mars Effect". You can say you
> > > > intended to depict something Mars-like, a combatant of a certain
era,
> > > > but your psyche said "heh, whadaheck, lets put natal Mars in there
> > > > too...if only to say Mars in the more internally experienced way.
> > > > Your Mars 'leaked' out and I just was there to feel it drip from
the
> > > > ceiling...:)
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> > > I copied it verbatim from an encyclopedia--a "Typical German Knight
of
> > > the 1500s" I believe it stated!! (Except for the background) So the
> > > only thing that has "leaks" in it is your theory!
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> > Was the picture assigned for copy, Ed? Or did *you* pick it?
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> > > > Rather than looking at a group norm for a type of 'Mars'
expression--
> > > > the act of showing athletic competitiveness, we look for
> > > > individualized Mars expression in the context of the whole of the
> > > > individual's provided view of the world. A drawing is a map sketch
of
> > > > what the 'artist' wishes to communicate (and a self-****trait of
sorts
> > > > is always looking for a way into 'reality'...to "be there" to
"exist"
> > > > in the 'world'. Thus the drawing is also a "text" and inseparable
from
> > > > the author when the author himself is absorbed in and by the
world, in
> > > > terms of the postmodern interpretation of literature and fine art.
In
> > > > short when the artist puts himself into the art and the artist
have an
> > > > oneness in terms of any reference the natal charts abstract
reality.
> > > > It's no more of less abstract than LL's beloved higher mathematic,
> > > > etc..
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> > > Blah blah! It's a copy! Talk to the encyclopedia company and tell
them
> > > how well you can see their "need for masculinity" etc with the big
> > > lance! Bwahahahahahahahahah!!!
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> > > > We can go look at a similar occurrence in art, say the drawing
of
> > > > Durer, and find that he 'expresses, natal Mars by unconsciously
> > > > pointing to it:
> > > > (you should be flattered here, I'm showing how you, Ed, are a
****tal
> > > > for Art in this matter, in this case, on a par with a very famous
> > > > artist..:) :
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> > > At least the encyclopedia artist should be flattered I suppose.
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> > LOL! Too bad you aren't kidding.
>
> > > > His version of a knight with a pointy
> > > >lance:http://pedantus.free.fr/Durer_A_03.gif
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> > > > Durer has two pointy objects directed at the 'space' the soul
'thinks'
> > > > of as the place of natal
> > > >
Mars:http://pedantus.free.fr/Durer_A_02a.gifhttp://pedantus.free.fr/Dure
> > > > r_A_01a1.gif
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> > > Uh huh. Whatever.
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> > Green!
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> > <snip stuff Ed won't read anyway>
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> > > > There's no need for one who rules--Art rules, we serve.
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> > Kicking & shrieking ;)
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> Excelent point, Dee!
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> > > > Rog
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> > > Copied, from an encyclopedia. Rog.
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> > Chosen, Ed...by you?
>
> When will Ed realize that we *use* images the same we use an
> alphabet, or vocabulary, etc., to express our own individuated
> presence in the world. Heh, we have to *plagiarize* to that extent
> just to be understood...:) And, perhaps more im****tantly, we are
> manipulated by Art to the extent that it will quite naturally unify,
> strike a bargain between, the innate diversity of individual
> potentials and the more intelligible collective possibilities for
> communication. So, if Ed has to look for himself in images that his
> culture provides, we should be surprised...:)?
> I keep forgetting that insight therapy is only for people who have
> the courage to participate.
It is for people who's insight is LESS than yours, who you might be
helpful to, and who aren't so busy with with their own lives that have
much more im****tant things going on in them that they don't have to
waste time trying to convince you of your defective postulates.
I don't possibly have the time to read your meanderings everyday only
to come to the same conclusion I did the first time I read them years
ago.
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(c) 2007 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
The Sun http://www.edmondwollmann.com/
Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Gallery http://www.e-wollmann.com/
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