On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:16:49 -0500, Ed Augusts <edaugusts@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>On Apr 21, 3:24 am, Pandora <pand...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:07:37 -0500, Ed Augusts <Augusts...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> wrote:
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>> >Thank You for commenting on the DESPAIR in a natal Saturn-square-
>> >Pluto. He has the desire to be a plutocrat, but this is challenged by
>> >the delays and frustrations brought about by Saturn, as well as
>> >difficulty getting along with others, which may coincide mainly with
>> >Mars and Saturn in Scorpio.
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As someone who has a very tight natal Pluto/Saturn square I'd like to
>> add my thoughts on this. I have Pluto at 29 Leo conjunct the MC
>> square Saturn 28 Scorpio in the 1st house. One thing that's been
>> missing in this discussion in reference to this square is that how it
>> manifests depends on the houses involved.
>>
>> I am not in despair as a rule however having Saturn in the first
>> (appearance) and Pluto in the 10th conjunct the MC (the Public Face)
>> causes others to see me as someone who seems to be sad, depressed,
>> angry, or in despair even during the times when I am not any of the
>> above--which is most of the time.
>>
>> The square being in the 1st and 10th houses are what I sometimes call
>> my "I'll never amount to anything" aspect. The two power planets
>> being at odds or in conflict with one another means many things I
>> should do never get done and that is usually to my own detriment.
>>
>> How this combination of Saturn/Pluto in other houses works, I don't
>> know. I haven't studied it in other signs/houses but I wouldn't be
>> surprised if the two didn't work in a similar way to check both the
>> positive and the negative energy/power of the other.
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>Hi, Pandora! Wow! Pluto on the MC, and Saturn Rising! Now, I'm
>trying to undestand what exactly it means when you say ... others see
>you as someone who seems to be sad, depressed, angry, or in despair
>even during the times when you are not any of the above -- which is
>most of the time... For some reason, I am simply 'drawing a blank'
>on understanding the situation you are describing! So, are you
>saying that people interpet your expressions, facial characteristics,
>let's say, as conveying anger or sadness, whereas you're saying ---
>those are only superficial expressions, deep down you're NOT REALLY
>feeling anger or sadness at all???
That's it! You got it exactly right. My facial expression indicates
to others that I'm "too serious" or "very sad" or "extremely angry,"
etc., and this is the case no matter what I'm actually thinking or
feeling.
>I mean--there must be SOME reason
>people around you decide you must be angry or sad or depressed--
>right? Or, are you thinking this is what they are feeling or
>thinking about you, but it is in fact, un-said? If it isn't your
>expressions or your --words--- WHAT are they using to formulate the
>analysis that you're sad, depressed, or angry?
I can't really know what the motivations of others are. I only know
what others have told me and that is that they are judging me strictly
by my appearance which is a combination of a Saturnian/Plutonian type
of facial expression. Also I have Scorpio Rising which doesn't
exactly add any "sun****ne" into the mix. Thankfully I have a Libra
Sun and a very weak Mars (in Pisces Rx) which trines my Asc. Without
those two placements I might be as fierce as I apparently look. <g>
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> By the way, don't be surprised if we can't understand each other TOO
>well,
I beg to disagree. I believe you picked up on my meaning very quickly
and precisely.
>since, for one thing, you have the same major aspect that
>"Frank" has, though it doesn't interact by aspect with my chart very
>much at all -- there must be OTHER aspects that do, however! I'm
>wondering if either your Mercury or my Mercury aren't "out in right
>field" compared to the other's chart!
>
>Best, ------Ed
My Mercury is retrograde at 3:19 Libra. My Mercury is conjunct my
Sun at 3:30 Libra (cazmi) and both are in my 11th house.
I noted in another thread that you are a writer. There is at least
one thing we have in common. Interest in astrology makes it two
things. <g>
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