"Pandora" <pandora@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sun, 11 May 2008 05:11:06 -0500, "~saba*gracile~"
> <veronisc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>"Pandora" <pandora@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skrev i melding
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>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 03:25:23 -0500, "~saba*gracile~"
>>> <veronisc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>>"Pandora" <pandora@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skrev i melding
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>>>>> On Mon, 5 May 2008 09:11:13 -0500, Nicole <paper_nest@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>What would suggest shyness in a chart?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think one sign would be Sun in 10th, Sun in 2nd=Modesty?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would not think a 10th house Sun to be shy as a general rule
because
>>>>> the 10th house is the highest (most public) house in the chart
wheel.
>>>>> A Sun in the 10th IMO would tend to be very success oriented and
>>>>> shyness would be a liability in that matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had to choose one house where the Sun might be shy and/or
modest
>>>>> I'd pick the 4th house which is the lowest (most private) house in
the
>>>>> chart wheel. However, I think the other Water houses (the 8th and
the
>>>>> 12th) might also make for a Sun that is shy and/or modest.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would tend to strongly agree with the poster who suggested
Saturn's
>>>>> chart placement might be a better place to look for shyness. I have
>>>>> Saturn in Scorpio in my 1st house. Saturn rules my 3rd house of
>>>>> communication. I was extraordinarily shy as a child and have only
>>>>> gotten over it somewhat as I grow older (a Saturn influence). It is
>>>>> still often very hard for me to make myself understood and I am very
>>>>> leery of sharing my personal self (1st house) with other people
>>>>> although I do better at writing to convey my thoughts versus
speaking
>>>>> directly to others. HTH.
>>>
>>> Hi Veronica,
>>>>
>>>>Hm, maybe the Saturn influenced is the concrete thinking and
responsible one,
>>>>being inhibited more than shy if anything.
>>>
>>> I can't argue with that being part of the picture. Yet, while I was
>>> made to be the responsible one in my early childhood (Saturn in the
>>> 1st) and I was/am inhibited in many ways with that Saturn being in
>>> Scorpio, I still have to say that I am/was always painfully shy. Don't
>>> know if this is part of the problem but my chart ruler (Pluto in Leo)
>>> is conjunct my MC and squares Saturn in my first. Pluto on the MC
>>> should be a "powerful" placement but not when it is constantly
>>> undermined by Saturn.
>>
>>It sounds a little tough do you think your destiny seem to be harder
than
>>others, or do you deal with powerful people much?
>
> I don't know about destiny but my early life was harder than many
> others. That I see as Saturn in the 1st. Now that I've reached the
> 2nd half of my life things seem much easier than before.
Ok good. Saturn just grows on you as you get older :` But you must
be sort of a tough nail, and can handle hard****ps better than most.
>
>>Do you dream of being
>>a master of the universe yourself? :P
>
> LOL! Not at all. That I attribute to my Libra Sun and a weak Mars in
> Pisces rx. Mars rules my 6th house and for the most part I like to do
> as little as possible. ;-)
That are mellow factors, although their aspects say more about what they
make you to be,in many cases. Mars in the 6th, heh one would think that
you are a typical worker person, and if you do housechores or workout
it shows on your body pretty fast:)
>
>>You should be the born researcher
>>at least, in that area Saturn will help, not undermine.
>
> While I'm not a professional researcher I do like to dig and research
> online. Even before the internet, I was always at the library digging
> into books looking for information. I'm pretty good at finding what I
> want.
I see. Scorp rising is relentless in digging things up on its own too.
>>
>>>
>>>>True Saturn types are anything but
>>>>shy they are hard and demanding, putting others down more than
themselves.
>>>
>>> As I explained above, I'm not a Saturn type, per se. The square to
>>> Pluto is a killer aspect on its own but when it is a 1st to 10th/MC
>>> square...it's a real deal breaker.
>>
>>Yes, it needs to be in aspect to Sun I found that to indicate the 'true'
>>Saturn type. I think of MC not as much as looks, but the image and
>>who you are to the outer world at large, not surprising as MC defines
>>the goals and interests you set up for yourself. Or others see them
>>manifest.
>
> Pluto in Leo on my MC colors the Leo aspect of my MC probably making
> me look even bossier than the average Leo type. Others see my image
> as that of being controlling, powerful, even nasty but I don't see
> myself that way at all. I always view myself as having little control
> in life...as being more like my Libra Sun...wanting to just get along
> with others. I feel as though I'm always working at cross-purposes
> with others...as though they can't see the "real" me.
ok, airsigns can be butting heads because of some lack of
others-perspective
or the care to incor****ate the will of others into their scope, especially
with air
moon. Did you have that too? But don't get me wrong, you probably do have
empathy. But I would guess on conflicts of will with those positions you
describe anyway, yes.
>
>>My MC in Sagittarius makes me the knowledge gatherer,
>>eternal student and are a lucky one, everybody else works, but I think:)
>
> Great work if you can get it! :-) Sag/Jupiter is often seen as the
> "Lucky One."
I can't complain:)
>>
>>>
>>>> I have seen Asc virgo as very shy people, though. Another
>>>>way of coming across as shy is Neptune, which makes the weird nerd or
>>>>the inferior type which is often selfdefeating and overly vulnerable.
Humans
>>>>are complex.
>>>
>>> I read your posts about Neptune/Sun and your transit problems with
>>> Saturn squaring your natal Sun and I can see where you are coming from
>>> above. I'm not well versed on Neptune probably because my Neptune is
>>> buried deep inside my 12th house (it rules my 5th). I had a friend
>>> with Neptune conjunct Saturn in Libra in his 5th house and I'd love to
>>> hear your take on that because I've never been able to figure it out.
>>>
>>
>>To have Saturn lingering stationary by a square between my Neptune 0,44
>>in Sag and my Sun 3,47 Sag is not an easy experience. As a true Sag I
must
>>think what I'm learning from this. I feel the world being hard on me
and
>>I am hard on others (don't grant any slack etc, my thoughts are more in
>>line with this transit). I will wait for fairer weather to get in touch
with the
>>softer elements in my life, for sure.
>
>>Your Neptune is at home and romantic and mysterious in your affairs I
think.
>>Or that your affairs are flaky and ends in nothing. Neptune can't be
pinned down.
>
> Mysterious in my affairs...that sounds rather nice and romantic but
> I'm not sure it fits me well. Flaky affairs that end in nothing fits
> me much better. As Neptune rules my 5th it also represents my
> children and I have suffered much loss and heartache in that regard as
> well as in lost lovers.
Yes, Neptune has the bad habit of making things totally insignificant and
dissapear like smoke into the air. Combined with other planets in aspect
though,
the romance and mystery bit of Neptune can be incor****ated. Both fantasy
and idealism are very much needed in life. Psychologically, the mental use
of illusions are irreplacable and adaptive in human beings lives,
especially
during problematic times, while hightened sense of reality creates are
strongly
connected to depression and illness. Psychologically, in a battle between
Saturn and Neptune, Saturn loses:-)
>
>>You should be ultra nice with children though. Your friend could've been
unlucky
>>as there is a crash between ideals and reality with flirting, love and
affairs.
>
> Yes, that's it exactly! In matters of the heart he was completely out
> of touch with reality. I say "was" because he is dead now. He died
> at age 39 of a heart condition (5th house) that could not be seen or
> predicted (Neptune).
>
> I suppose it was possible for him to project that out of touch with
> reality aspect onto his lovers. For example, I never knew what was
> real and what was illusion in my relation****p with him...did he love
> me or did he not...I never knew. And so he haunts me still.
Ok.
>
>>Maybe
>>left him or her ultra realistic. But if Neptune is stronger, I don't
know. Only Neptune
>>Saturn connected people have a dark cloud hanging over them, maybe he
don't
>>believe in having fun?(in 5th). It can take many forms. Depression is
one of them.
>
> He believed in having fun okay. Neptune/Saturn trined Jupiter in
> Gemini on his Asc (12th house side). He looked like the luckiest,
> friendliest fellow on earth. I think his downfall was that he never
> knew what was genuine versus what was fake. IMO he chose wrong every
> time.
Hm ok with Jupiter he was linked to be a funloving person, gregarious
even.
But Neptune-Saturn in 5th would indicate a nagging loneliness and it's
been
proven to be a link between heart illness and loneliness.
Veronica
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