Re: Inheriting parents' chart factors

On Wed, 14 May 2008 12:38:13 -0500, "Ray Murphy"
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>"Pandora" <pandora@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> I have 13 Scorpio rising.  She has 12 Scorpio rising.  Therefore, 
>> all
>> of our angles are the same within an about 2 degree orb also making
>> our house layout identical.
>
>RM: That's the synastry which I find most interesting. Oppositions
>follow close behind it.

Conjunctions are said to be karmic in synastry.  Why that would be
more so than oppositions or squares or other aspects, I don't know.
However, conjunctions in synastry are what I find most interesting and
sometimes most binding between the two individuals.  

>RM: When we start looking at midpoints it becomes easy to find
>connections like that. There was a time on aamod when one of the
>posters mentioned something *like* his VE/MA midpoint being identical
>to his new partners VE/MA mp. It's fascinating to see and follow, but
>we need to keep in mind the potential for hundreds of astrologers to
>have looked and *not* seen such a neat bit of synastry.

I've only recently been studying midpoints seriously and have much yet
to learn.  I hadn't thought about looking for them as you describe
above.  I'm eager to look into that now.  

>> In my husband's family almost everyone has some planet placed 
>> between
>> 7 and 16 Virgo.  Even though I only married into the family I have
>> Jupiter at 16 Virgo.  What im****tance that has in the family
>> structure, I don't know but it suggests that such "family points" 
>> may
>> not be restricted to only blood relatives in a family.
>
>RM: These are the things that we need to record somehow, so we
>can use the easiest ones in "family pocket" research. That's pretty 
>much
>how DNA is seen - in pockets.

But DNA is only valid in blood relation****ps.  
>
>>>In transit research I've noticed that the 'family connections' seem
>>>to extend to transits as well. The most striking case I've come
>>>across was the day I processed hundreds of death transits from
>>>data harvested from genealogy information scattered all over the
>>>net. At one point I saw a small bunch of Mars/Saturn transits
>>>for death dates - and while there was nowhere NEAR enough
>>>of them to make a case for Mar-Sat aspects being more
>>>prominent, I nevertheless looked more closely to see if anything
>>>in their natal charts connected with it. To my surprise I found
>>>2 siblings with identical transits of the Mar-Sat conjunction
>>>(under 2 degs) and another one with the square.

Fascinating.  I mentioned an individual I knew in another thread with
a natal Neptune/Saturn conjunction.  I was crazy about him for three
years but only when transiting Neptune was conjunct my Saturn did he
take interest in me.  At the time transiting Saturn was going through
his 12th house (another Neptune/Saturn flavoring).   

When he died Saturn was at 0 Pisces--a Neptune/Saturn flavoring.
Transiting Neptune was in Capricorn--yet another Neptune/Saturn
flavor--not to mention that Saturn and Neptune were in mutual
reception.  The Neptune/Saturn theme seemed to sort of overwhelm his
death chart.  
>>
>> I have a small supply of family death charts but never compared them
>> to natal aspects.  You've got me interested now.
>
>RM: I made a program for searching for them because it's far too
>slow to do many of them by hand. If anyone wants to know about
>some of the interesting coincidences between family members or
>partners etc, I can run their data through my synastry progarm but
>*only* if the can supply the data in an astrology program format.

By "astrology format" are you referring to date of birth, time of
birth, time zone, longitude and latitude?  
>
>> While perhaps you're only looking at statistical findings, I'm
>> interested more in how these inherited placements play out in the
>> bigger picture of a family history.
>
>RM: Yes, lots of thigs can be done via ordinary astrology, but
>I'd be interested in following up on transit events as well (where the
>people have the potential for similar transits at the same time).

This probably isn't what you mean but I have a Time Twin, that is,
someone I know who was born the same day (including year) as me but in
a different time zone.  Our Asc's are 11 degrees apart but in the same
sign.  Our planets are in the same signs and pretty much in the exact
same degree but a few are in different houses.  We often have similar
(if not the same) transits at the same time.  
>
>> Either way if there were some
>> sort of chart to follow in logging placements and aspects it would
>> make it easier to do***ent and follow through with the info.  You've
>> got me interested in creating some sort of chart to do that now.
>
>RM: The ideal way to go for that sort of thing is to have the Jigsaw
>research program - where it's dead easy to link events and people.
>Unfortunately Jigsaw is a bit expensive, so I made an el-cheapo
>version which still needs a bit of poli****ng up. There was also a 
>large
>(free) database I made for all astrologers, but there was no interest
>in in so it will probably never be released.

That is too bad from a research point of view.  
>
>>>When we look at the more common Sun-Moo-Asc 'inheritance'
>>>of factors in natal charts we need to be aware of how easy it is
>>>to 'acquire' them. Yesterday I did a quick check with 25,000
>>>random charts and noticed that if a parent had Sun-Moo-Asc
>>>in 3 different sgns, the a child has a 58% chance if inheriting one
>>>of them in their Sun or Moo or Asc.
>>
>> You need to keep in mind (maybe more so in earlier times) that not
>> every child born into a family belonged there.  Cheating on a 
>> marital
>> partner and the results of it were often hidden...meaning the real
>> father was not always the same man as the one who sat at the dinner
>> table.  Often that kind of info gets left out of family histories.
>
>RM: Well as strange as it may seem, some of those children show up
>as strongly in relation to both parents' charts (with a special method 
>I
>use) but they also show up IN the charts of the incorrect fathers - so
>do some adopted children.

Then you are not talking about DNA connections or about strictly
inherited traits per "family degree points."  

I don't think you can have it both ways.  I mentioned the family where
nearly every member had a personal planet located between 7 and 16
Virgo.  One child who is not the blood daughter of the father has 9
Virgo for her MC.  I look at that as she appears to the world (her MC)
as a member of the family but since she doesn't have a personal planet
there, she isn't a blood relative.  

I believe the natal chart tells the whole story.  It's just a matter
of whether or not astrologers are able to translate the story
correctly.