On Aug 23, 2:28 pm, CFA AKA Ken Kizer who is fearful of archiving his
less than thought out assertions wrote:
> E H Wollmann wrote:
> >On Aug 22, 9:30 pm, CFA wrote:
> >> E. H. Wollmann - The One Who Rules wrote:
> >> >On Aug 19, 3:13 pm, CFA wrote:
> >> >> JB wrote:
> >> >> > <sigh> You DO realise, of course, that any "Readings" you give
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ave a
> >> >> >2.000 year distention, right? If they have ANY benifit at ALL -
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ey'd
> >> >> >be accurate 2.000 years ago, not now. Precession and all that.
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, I
> >> >> >mean ALL of your meanderings are predicated on falsehoods. Choke
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n it.
> >> >> Precession isn't the problem with astrology.
> >> >> And did you have to quote the whole article?
> >> >> Ken
> >> >The "problem" is not with astrology per se,
> >> Right. It's with arrogant ****heads like you.
> >I see, how am I responsible for the misperceptions of astrologers?
> There's an adjective right before the word '****head', if you're
> talking about misperceptions of astrologers by others.
> >> >but astrologers who lack critical thinking skills...
> >> As if you had the slightest clue what I meant.
> >Alright, explain then. I thought Ptolemy explained it very well. Most
> >non-astrologers come up with these infantile arguments that evidence
> >only their lack of astrological understanding, not any real criticism
> >of astrology--or astrologers.
> The problem with astrology, as with any other model of existence, is
> the limitation of human understanding. A model isn't existence. In
> addition, our ability to interpret such dense models as astrology is
> severely hampered by subjectivity and lack of experience.
> >> >Who believe in fairy tales
> >> Such as?
> >That people have "massive aspect networks" etc. as you have described
> >that "make them" act in such and such a way or that "brings things
> >upon them" in a karmic way, or other such limited mindless judgmental
> >thinking patterns.
> If you don't take massive aspect complexes into account, what's the
> point in delineating them?
To determine the extent to which the owner has developed them,
surpassed them or has under-recognized them as an unconscious pattern?
One cannot delineate that without their own resolutions and awareness
being clear and firm.
> However, I've never said those aspects make people act a certain way.
> I will say chart signatures describe the line of least resistance, but
> people are free to behave however they choose.
Chart signatures "outline" the probable development--and conflicts
possible on the way to that knowingness--as an archetypal dimension or
"path-set" chosen on some level by the owner in question. Resistance
to anything regarding that development brings pain and difficulty in
the experiences of that outline. This is the key point, posters,
astrologers and psychologists who debate me fail to recognize in our
interactions and then perceive all sorts of things having nothing to
do with me.
> And if you'd read very many of my posts to others, you might have
> actually noticed how much flack I get for talking about personal
> responsibility/no victims. I'm at least as radical about that as you.
> What's mildly interesting is how you then deny it when I apply it to
> you- when I say that your experiences here- and responses to your
> posts- are a projection of your inner landscape.
> Is that enough personal power for you?
> >> > and that they are not destined by their own choices.
> >> Put down the mirror.
> >> Ken
> >Gee, I wrote a whole book other astrologers are afraid to acknowledge
> >that PROVES we create our reality, why would a mirror be needed for
> >me?
> I'm not sure I'd call it 'afraid to acknowledge'. I'd say it's not
> particularly interesting to me for various reasons... I've long ago
> adopted the most im****tant parts of your philosophies, so it would be
> more like a review.
Long ago. I see, arrogance. The problem with you and the other
"enlightened ones" who come here over the years is how diligently you
seek to attach me to the infantile behavior of some bored usenet geeks
and their obsessive behavior as having something to do with my
consciousness (and you joining in with them to be socially accepted),
at the same time acting as if my perceived "arrogance" and
****headedness has 0 to do with your consciousness.
Fortunately I am far more diligent and aware and remain as YOUR
stubborn mirror in the hopes that one or two of you will actually get
it over time.
It is the exact same lack of awareness and judgmentalism numbness the
US right wing has with its christian zealots as being the co-creators
of the "muslim extremists" and acting as if they have no clue where it
is coming from, and make up all sorts of silly notions such as "they
hate our freedom" and garbage like that as the reason for the
conflicts and attacks.
The insults about my writing--which has nothing to do with whether
someone could be served or not by it--have been snipped and ignored.
Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow.
Aesop
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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