On May 12, 3:27=A0am, dead <kosmicg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 12, 2:23=A0am, Gordon <gor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:06:41 -0700, dead <kosmicg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 29, 9:23=A0am, Gordon <gor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:38:02 -0700, Zanthius =A0
> > >> <zanthius_of_d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> > On 28 Apr, 00:44, Gordon <gor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> >> Gordon: For myself, I would be suspicious of ANYthing wearing
the =
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> > >> dress =A0
> > >> >> of
> > >> >> "always". =A0Heart is like a silent witness and mind like a
noise =
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> > >> needing =A0
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> be heard. =A0Heart sees and mind knows, or so it seems from
here.
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> > >> > Perhaps it was a little incorrect to say that my heart always
beats=
in
> > >> > synergy with my mind. Actually, when I come to think about it, my
> > >> > emotion is like a field of energy which has been growing in
> > >> > electromagnetic power.
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> > >> Gordon: Maybe you place to much emphasis on what you think.
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> > >> what =A0
> > >> is happening when you do this "thinking about things". =A0I suspect
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hat =A0
> > >> if =A0
> > >> you do you'll see that making an "investment" in it's end results
isn=
't =A0
> > >> =A0
> > >> the most prudent thing to do.
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> > > hyper pathetical science is most certainly the future.
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> > >> > I remember vaguely how my emotion was at earlier stages of my
life,=
> > >> > and it just had less electromagnetic power. When my emotion had
les=
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> > >> > electromagnetic power, I was more susceptible to fear.
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> > >> Gordon: Remembering vaguely is no substitute for seeing now. =A0Or
so=
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> > >> seems from here.
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> > > you look just like the invisible man from here.
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> > > seriously......no prob for anyone who ddoesn't want to reveal their
> > > mindheart, but with all the criticism from the darkened corners id
> > > like to see a positive contribution from people, and a real "get
> > > real". =A0who the **** is real here? =A0i can't even see you you are
s=
o
> > > filtered. =A0anyone who shows themselves gets tomatos thrown at
them.
> > > by ones who don't show anything. =A0i want lee and you and mark to
"ge=
t
> > > real", i see such bull**** tries at it and it's cute and humanising
> > > but its so friggin errrrrrr!!!
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> > Gordon: If I may intrude into your darkened sense of things for a
moment=
=A0
> > with a few bones you can chew on.
> > Your struggle is with yourself, after all what is more real for you
than=
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> > you? =A0Yet you would like Lee, Mark, or me to get real, as if you
would=
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> > know it if you saw it. =A0Keep in mind that I'm speaking as a friend
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not =A0
> > attacking you.
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> im not your typical bad guy assuming i know the ideal "real" i only
> mean on a ordinary level "get real", imagine i am just anyone and not
> whatever you imagine me to be trying to shake some truer expression
> out of you.. you aren't showing anything very much, a monkey can tell
> you that and a Guy should know what to make out of it. =A0:)
>
> "Don't worry about your make up running just dance **** it!!! ****!!!
> FUuuuuCK!!!"
>
> on the radio live concert a week ago to an emo-goth audience.
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> > You're all the real you have and if it doesn't seem enough then maybe
it=
's =A0
> > because you take what you think for what you know.
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> are you a program. =A0gordon version?
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> > =A0When you see how deep =A0
> > your unknowing really is you'll be able to think freely on your own,
you=
r =A0
> > mind will be like Teflon in that nothing will stick and make it more
of =
a =A0
> > mess than it already is. =A0This is how you journey to the real, this
is=
how =A0
> > you come to see what no one else can see for you. =A0Now how you like
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> > chewing them bones?
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> it was interesting and im sure i benefit from it everything seems to
> stick to me like im a sponge for it and it's as if nothing has escaped
> me on some level because at some point i have learned from everyone
> here and everyone in real life and it never goes away it just rewires
> and i think it's trying to make something of itself so thnx but ya
> know telling me im crazy or on the edge for so many years probably
> dented me because i don't think i would have been as conscious of
> myself as "one of them and thus not played that part so much.
>
> so there's this aspect of energies conspiring around me, my own
> energies and the ones from people and the environment i attract, and
> less metaphysically i mean im running a psychological-philosphical
> wheel around in my head until it clicks.
>
> on the other hand there is the emptiness or the space in which nothing
> sticks. in relation to the intellect i call it the "conceptual
> space". =A0the further identification is ****fted into the space the more
> flexible the mind is. =A0the impulsive habitual way we narrow the mind
> into corners come from being in the display and not the space. the
> ground of the mind... this greater "conceptual space"... i have
> actually attained O.K while in thought cycles and well they aren't
> cycles when you are in the space, and everything gets very clear and
> you can see everything from this higher arc but then the minds
> activity somehow gets hyperactive or attaches to the mental still,
> even though an integration of all the corners-of-reduction(stuckness)
> is possible from the concept space the mind somehow asserts its ego
> over the body still, and in theory one might be integral or holistic
> but not in being.
>
well in moments "gap" the space is more or less the seat of the
conceptual mind and it is no longer a prison. vision-logic
(networking logic) and maybe-logic (raw's adjustment of logic to suite
your ideal of unknowingness) arise in the space.
even though there is this sort of great partner****p between the deep
space of mind and the activity of mind, the space is generally owned
by the mind and doesn't ****ft from it to the body or the whole
spectrum of experience... we can spin the wheel to the point that we
become almost over the mind in a depersonalised juggling act, in fact
there is a pinch keeping us addicted to the mental centre and the
actual trans personal and deeper source/consciousness is kind of
stolen and used by the mind from the rest of ones life, which limits
it and retards its full reality taking root totally.
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> > > im spla****ng for a reaction, for interests sake and for perhaps the
> > > sake of the group but i really don't know how worthwhile the group
is
> > > at all. =A0its just if you are gonna put your spare time into it why
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> > > put your heart into it. =A0gordon lee mark. =A0its the cesspool you
kn=
ow
> > > why? =A0because you aren't filling it with anything else of your own
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> > >> > Positive and negative events might change my feeling marginally,
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> > >> > most of my feeling is simply what I am always carrying with me
from=
> > >> > the past.
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> > >> Gordon: The key to understanding is not found in measured change,
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> > >> =A0from unmeasured living that the river of understanding flows.
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> > >> Esoterically said I know.
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