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> > > > > > > > with ocd it is difficult to tell whether im getting worse
or=
better,
> > > > > > > > its like im getting both at the same time. =A0im making
adju=
stments and
> > > > > > > > allowances, but anything which i want to keep "ocd"
(because=
it is too
> > > > > > > > much my nature, or because i believe it's the world that's
g=
ot it all
> > > > > > > > wrong and not me whos weird) has tightened so much that i
am=
in shock
> > > > > > > > when the fortress does not hold up.
>
> > > > > > > > last night it was the knife again. =A0mum let it drop onto
t=
he table and
> > > > > > > > the edge was touching the table. =A0yes it's a kitchen
table=
but i do
> > > > > > > > not eat from anything that touches it. =A0i found it later
a=
fter she
> > > > > > > > wasn't here thank god and it felt like i had been shot in
th=
e stomach
> > > > > > > > and i was speechless, then i hyperventilate. =A0and the
magn=
itude of the
> > > > > > > > situation seems beyond me although i can joke about it
being=
a knife
> > > > > > > > on a table i can't pretend it's not the end of the world
my =
world
> > > > > > > > atleast.
>
> > > > > > > i was repeating "help" otherwise i wasn't able to speak or
thi=
nk
> > > > > > > much. =A0i wanted to die, i remember thinking. =A0the only
rea=
son i didn't
> > > > > > > kill myself was the knife was too dirty and i didn't want to
f=
all on
> > > > > > > the floor.
>
> > > > > > > > this is about the 4th expensive knife that has been let to
d=
rop on
> > > > > > > > either the table or the floor. =A0when mum did it last
time =
it was the
> > > > > > > > same issue you might remember, except i disgusted my mind
in=
to a
> > > > > > > > disembodied trance, i actually lost consciousness a number
o=
f times
> > > > > > > > and the world was generally so gross to me that even the
con=
sciousness
> > > > > > > > of it made me curl back inside me.
>
> > > > > > > > yeah so there is the question is it just me or is it the
fil=
thy world
> > > > > > > > that has it wrong, and i think it is both of us too
extreme =
in our
> > > > > > > > ways. =A0for instance the world might look like the crazy
on=
e if you are
> > > > > > > > considering their own hygene habits... everyone washes
their=
hands but
> > > > > > > > immediately they touch a door knob or a railing in the
town =
or they
> > > > > > > > might touch money and these are the kinds of things the
peop=
le don't
> > > > > > > > seem to notice, there are contradictions in their will...
ar=
e they
> > > > > > > > trying to be hygenic... or not... they are conflicted.
=A0i =
am trying to
> > > > > > > > be more single pointed... for instance i am a vegan and
thus=
i do not
> > > > > > > > make exceptions by eating products even where dairy is not
t=
he main
> > > > > > > > ingredient.. so i believe there are probably almost no
vegan=
s in the
> > > > > > > > western world because everything is infected with either
mea=
t or dairy
> > > > > > > > products on the supermarket shelf, almost, and they
contradi=
ct
> > > > > > > > themself by not paying it attention. =A0so who's
crazy......=
me because
> > > > > > > > i pay too much attention to reality or them because they
are=
in denial
> > > > > > > > about the truth of how disgusting it is, they have to hide
f=
rom it to
> > > > > > > > make do with it..... another e.g., meat eaters... most of
th=
em admit
> > > > > > > > they must blank themselves from the knowledge of it as an
an=
imal.
> > > > > > > > they literally make themselves stupider people by doing
that=
...... but
> > > > > > > > it becomes such a habit of narrowing consciousness that it
i=
nfects
> > > > > > > > everything about their life, they become dumber less
sensiti=
ve
> > > > > > > > beings. =A0i mean to cut the mind off from being aware of
th=
e creature
> > > > > > > > is really stupid, although i am not being arrogant because
t=
here are
> > > > > > > > other ways im like that but that is so immoral aswell that
i=
t's not
> > > > > > > > all about how dumb they are they are really in conflict
with=
> > > > > > > > goodness. =A0"lord forgive them for they..." you know the
> > > > > > > > drill ;P......... i almost respect those people who have a
f=
etish
> > > > > > > > about the fact that it IS an animal lol. =A0although that
is=
so wrong it
> > > > > > > > is almost evil but atleast they aren't faking reality out.
=
=A0you know
> > > > > > > > MrM said something interesting about seeing a human body
tor=
n in two
> > > > > > > > pieces when he was a youth, and his brain couldn't get it
th=
at it was
> > > > > > > > a real person.
>
> > > > > > > > anywayyyy...... so ive got a problem to some extent but i
wi=
sh others
> > > > > > > > would acknowledge that it is somewhat based on reality,
prob=
ably more
> > > > > > > > than their reaction in fact.
>
> > > > > > um.. yeah and the other way of dealing with things for me is
to =
just
> > > > > > let the ocd have its way and not fight it, do not panic
because =
filth
> > > > > > is inevitable, but do not allow the filth just do the routine
an=
d
> > > > > > replace the knife because **** happens. =A0this very clear
accep=
tance of
> > > > > > ocd was bothering mum because although i wasn't having attacks
i=
t made
> > > > > > it so that my ocd soared to new heights of expression. =A0i
gave=
all my
> > > > > > dishes to her because i left them unwashed for too many
days... =
i do
> > > > > > not eat anything with vinegar in it, thickeners that aren't
labe=
led, i
> > > > > > gave up most of the few things that i'd been able to eat
previou=
sly.
> > > > > > i dont eat anything cooked in a shop (have you seen ramsey's
kit=
chen
> > > > > > nightmares? =A0jessus ****in christ!). =A0 i do not touch my
gen=
italia,
> > > > > > lol... i didn't even notice that for like a year but if i do i
w=
ash my
> > > > > > hands immediately. if i scratch my head i wash my hands. =A0i
us=
e
> > > > > > tissues to open the doors. =A0everything just became the way
thi=
ngs are
> > > > > > for me without fighting it. =A0and if i went to a psyche i'd
pro=
bably be
> > > > > > against the idea of lowering myself anymore to the way things
ar=
e in
> > > > > > the real world and try to more control my emotions without
havin=
g to
> > > > > > give up ocd... i know there are "allowances and adjustments" i
m=
ust
> > > > > > make but in some things cant imagine ever doing that, for a
long=
time,
> > > > > > it isn't worth it. =A0i can't enjoy life if it doesn't conform
t=
o
> > > > > > certain peculiarities i have and some of them i would like to
en=
force
> > > > > > by law but others are simply my nature..... but the world
should=
make
> > > > > > more space.
>
> > > > > so she bought me a new knife and a plastic draw set to keep my
thi=
ngs
> > > > > seperate from visitors things. =A0that's teh equivalent of
buying
> > > > > someone an oxygen mask in a country like india which stinks.
=A0sh=
e's
> > > > > really nice, i hope the world follows suite. :)
>
> > > > of course i identify with "vegan vulgarian" so i am at this moment
> > > > expressing one side of that equation only, dancing around the
vulgar=
> > > > to make space however for even the filthyanimal that i am aswell.
=
=A0one
> > > > of the hardest parts of the fight is that the filthy animal is in
me=
..
> > > > hell i just scratched my head (although i am typing and when i am
> > > > typing i wash my hands after anyway, but usually i would not touch
m=
y
> > > > body while typing at all to avoid getting dead skin cells, old
sweat=
,
> > > > other people ive let use the keyboard, onto the body i might
forget =
to
> > > > wash afterward!). =A0anyway the other half of me is the part that
do=
es
> > > > desire ***, watches **** movies (no.), sloths and is not bothered
to=
> > > > clean up after himself, makes loud mouth emotional express ions of
> > > > himself on the internut web. =A0enjoys chaos over order, in fact
fig=
hts
> > > > on belahf of chaos. =A0i will put myself out as different aspects
> > > > depending on the social context.
>
> > > now i am interested......... you see im torn in two, two bodies.
=A0ca=
n
> > > see that im a real person or not?
>
> > > first there was this need to honour both parts which had and still
are=
> > > very apart from one another in each others shadow. =A0the more i
flipp=
ed
> > > i had to deal with the issue.. that everything was either becoming
> > > muddied up, or else the split was becoming so huge i had one extreme
> > > contradicting another. =A0more and more i have been able to..
negotiat=
e
> > > a middle way, and even in the extremes to never negate the value of
> > > the other side of ME. =A0 first it is like cla****ng two different
self=
-
> > > systems together and its like the frankenstein concept again. =A0but
> > > there is possible a fluid interaction for the idealized (or
demonized)=
> > > parts of ourself, it just takes time to really become self-aware and
> > > juggling enough to get the motion to negotiate a new wholeness.
>
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> I don't find anything wrong with the poster, they have a nicely honed
> organ of observation, too.
>
> hey, dead? Mind if I ask?
>
> You seem like a level headed person. You got this habit you are
> wearing like a thick cloak, but you can see that it is all accidental,
> right?
>
> If there were no expensive knives, then there would be no need to keep
> them off the floor, or the table. If we lived in a culture with less
> emphasis on the microscopic world around us we would find ourself
> operating within a different set of priorities?
>
> I am asking if you can see it is all accidental. Its accidental yet we
> falsly identify to it and say "I' and "me".
>
> Even the fact that we are identified with it is accidental - just
> droning on, no one has ever pointed out to us that the whole of the
> content of our consciousness is just accidental, based on the time and
> place of our arising and all of the impressions we ate up to now.
> The 4-th way cuts a lot of slack when we find, in form and function -
> really - that I am not it. "It" is accidental.
>
> ANyway - i like your story. I like to read the remarks of those who
> make observation part of their business.
>
> Maybe the ocd'er is blessed with an assisting factor the workaday joe
> would barely notice. In your experience the machine runs the impulses
> ad nasuem. In the workaday joe, same thing only less pronounced.
>
> In the game of becoming free, getting beyond the "I am it" =A0is a place
> where quantum reconfiguration can begin. In the 4th way it could be
> said that when we "know a thing with the whole of our being". It's
> movement within which we can actually consciously rewire **** by way
> of a trick played on the machine - a neutralization of affairs by way
> of consciously tricking the consciousness to evolve a container for
> the whole. Wire up an electrical context that supercede's the
> unconscious context in which we find ourself accidentally emersed.
>
> cool post, man, good luck
Gordon: I'm curious Piph, what is it you think you know with the whole
of your being? Should I slip my quantum boots on first?
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